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Bill: Good Tuesday Agreement
Details
Submitted by[?]: Conservative Union Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2582
Description[?]:
The function of this agreement is to reunite Hutori and create peace beween Greater Kenai and te Confederation.
It will involve an elected Head of State and more power to the Parliament but leave the King as a ceremonial figurehead. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Structure of the executive branch.
Old value:: The Head of State is hereditary and symbolic; the Head of Government chairs the cabinet.
Current: The Head of State is hereditary and symbolic; the Head of Government chairs the cabinet.
Proposed: The Head of State and Head of Government are two separate officials.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The formal title of the Head of State.
Old value:: His Most Royal and Serene Majesty, King
Current: His Imperial and Most Excellent Royal Majesty, Richard II of House Steuart-Carmichael, Sovereign of the Royal Commonwealth, King and Monarch of Hutori, High Chieftain of the Mashacara People, Khan of Estifíesti, Protector of the Pylztryznyrék, Prince of Orange-Vilyan, Vanuku, Dolgava, Lourenne, Kazullia & Dorvik, Grand Duke of Geharon & Iztapalata, Duke of Stormkapp, Karzon, Carolleux, Bellemont & Alcarie, Count of Ackerly, Lord Sovereign of the Order of the Golden Lion, Master of the Knightly Order of St. Michael, Peer of the Order of the Grey Smoke, Supreme Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the Commonwealth
Proposed: Governor-General of Hutori
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The national motto.
Old value:: God Save the King!
Current:
Ancient Selucian: Libertas Perfundet Omnia Luce
Luthorian: Freedom Will Flood All Things With Light |
Proposed: God Save Hutori!
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 17:42:14, May 24, 2008 CET |
From | Conservative Union Party | To | Debating the Good Tuesday Agreement | | Message | We're giving power to the people. What don't you like? Is it the fact that there is still a King somewhere that you'd like to overthrow? |
| Date | 18:38:43, May 24, 2008 CET |
From | People Party | To | Debating the Good Tuesday Agreement | | Message | I will support either a monarch and elected HOG. Or a HOG and HOS as the same person with same role but NOT a Head of State and a Head of Government. |
| Date | 18:54:40, May 24, 2008 CET |
From | Conservative Union Party | To | Debating the Good Tuesday Agreement | | Message | 'I will support either a monarch and elected HOG. Or a HOG and HOS as the same person with same role but NOT a Head of State and a Head of Government.'
Why will you not support this. |
| Date | 19:06:50, May 24, 2008 CET |
From | People Party | To | Debating the Good Tuesday Agreement | | Message | As I feel the role is similar and it is bureaucratic nonsense to have two people doing the same sort of job or at least a job one person could manage. The Head of Government should be head of state |
| Date | 19:16:45, May 24, 2008 CET |
From | Conservative Union Party | To | Debating the Good Tuesday Agreement | | Message | No. The Head of Stae is a figurehead and overseer and is overall leader of the nation. The Head of Government leads the cabinet and oversees parliament. |
| Date | 19:32:07, May 24, 2008 CET |
From | Conservative Union Party | To | Debating the Good Tuesday Agreement | | Message | If you've read the description the Head of State will be the overseer and elected official and the King would be purely a figurehead. When peace is wanted both sides have to give a little. |
| Date | 02:59:17, May 25, 2008 CET |
From | Hutori Conservative Council | To | Debating the Good Tuesday Agreement | | Message | We agree with the sentiments of comprimise, and we would be willing to comprimise in some fashion if it meant the ending of this war, but unfortunately we can never comprimise on the King. We believe firmly in the monarch, as a traditional institution from which all of Hutori's finest values, culture, and customs have arisen, and any arbitrary change to this is simply unnacceptable.
As mentioned before, we would certainly be willing to comprimise, but we cannot comprimise on that. |
| Date | 16:31:32, May 26, 2008 CET |
From | Liberale Partij (L) | To | Debating the Good Tuesday Agreement | | Message | We urge the left parties to accept this as an improvement to the current situation. Once there is peace, we can haggle further over constitutional issues. |
| Date | 17:04:16, May 26, 2008 CET |
From | Democratic Socialist Union | To | Debating the Good Tuesday Agreement | | Message | Furthermore, if me, and the DNP, both reject this, there won't be peace, as the Confederation as a whole would have rejected it.
The bill would pass, but there wouldn't be peace. We haven't come this far to back down now. The People don't want a king. Not entirely. More than half of the people voted for parties that are openly Republican, and it is my duty not to let those people down. |
| Date | 17:10:19, May 26, 2008 CET |
From | Democratic Socialist Union | To | Debating the Good Tuesday Agreement | | Message | And although some parties are willing to compromise, in order for peace, which I do genuinly admire, the Confederation is at a point now where it can crush the Union in several months time. Therefore I feel that this "peacetreaty" is not "worthy" of Confederate support.
I sincerely hope the DNP will follow me in this.
And, please, HCC, spare me your comments about how evil I am. |
| Date | 17:18:15, May 26, 2008 CET |
From | Conservative Union Party | To | Debating the Good Tuesday Agreement | | Message | You will crush the mainland Union, most probably. But we could move the Vascania most easily, and attack from there.
OOC: If we get the Vascania country, you could drive us out into the sea. |
| Date | 17:19:48, May 26, 2008 CET |
From | Groene ArbeidersPartij | To | Debating the Good Tuesday Agreement | | Message | The PRCP is right about this. Millions of people have died for this war, so we feel it would be stupid to make silly compomises like this now. If so many people have fought and died for the republic, a republic is what we shall give them. And a king who's only purpose is show and statute, is not worthy to be called king. We oppose. |
| Date | 17:21:35, May 26, 2008 CET |
From | Democratic Socialist Union | To | Debating the Good Tuesday Agreement | | Message | If you move to Vascania you will no longer be a Hutorian party, and you will no longer have any power in this nation. (OOC even if you don't get the country) |
| Date | 17:31:55, May 26, 2008 CET |
From | Democratic Socialist Union | To | Debating the Good Tuesday Agreement | | Message | As I said, half of the people votes for openly Republican parties. This means that "the people" do not want a king. Less than half wants a king.
And we are here to protect the other half from the madness of "your"' half. |
| Date | 18:55:08, May 26, 2008 CET |
From | Conservative Union Party | To | Debating the Good Tuesday Agreement | | Message | Not always. I'm sure plenty of monarchists vote for the FGGP, being the party that cares most openly for the environment, when we the CUP do not. And you do not have the 2/3rds majority from the electorate needed to forge a republic. There will be Maquis rebeliions. |
| Date | 18:56:05, May 26, 2008 CET |
From | Democratic Socialist Union | To | Debating the Good Tuesday Agreement | | Message | As I said, when you retreat to Vascania along with the HCC, you will no longer be a Hutorian party, and you will no longer be able to stop the Republic from forming. |
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| Vote |
Seats |
| yes | Total Seats: 137 |
| no | Total Seats: 85 |
| abstain | Total Seats: 79 |
| Random fact: Particracy allows you to establish an unelected head of state like a monarch or a president-for-life, but doing this is a bit of a process. First elect a candidate with the name "." to the Head of State position. Then change your law on the "Structure of the executive branch" to "The head of state is hereditary and symbolic; the head of government chairs the cabinet" and change the "formal title of the head of state" to how you want the new head of state's title and name to appear (eg. King Percy XVI). |
| Random quote: "You have all the characteristics of a popular politician: a horrible voice, bad breeding, and a vulgar manner."
Aristophanes (450 BC - 388 BC), Knights, 424 B.C. |