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Bill: Saiserist Decree of 2584: Strengthening the Grand Zardugali Armed Forces
Details
Submitted by[?]: Saiserist League
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2585
Description[?]:
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Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Women in the military.
Old value:: Women serve alongside men.
Current: Women serve alongside men.
Proposed: Women have no place in the military.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 10:55:00, May 31, 2008 CET | From |  Konservativa Respublikano Parti | To | Debating the Saiserist Decree of 2584: Strengthening the Grand Zardugali Armed Forces |
| Message | So then, Marshall Molnirov is willing to lose our best RIOs and snipers, some of our best command staff, quite a lot of administration staff, a surprisingly high number of tank drivers and gunners, and of course myself, a fighter wing commander within the Navy? -Cpt Sakura Kobayashi, VFA-116 fighter wing commander |
| Date | 11:04:06, May 31, 2008 CET | From | Saiserist League | To | Debating the Saiserist Decree of 2584: Strengthening the Grand Zardugali Armed Forces |
| Message | "They are Women, whom the Holy Edicts Saiserica make plainly clear are Zardugala's early Created that defied His will and so are ordered by Divine Providence to serve eternally the loyal early Created, that became Man, so... yes. Women have no place in our military." ~Grand Commander Molnirov, Defense Minister |
| Date | 12:23:48, May 31, 2008 CET | From | Konservativa Respublikano Parti | To | Debating the Saiserist Decree of 2584: Strengthening the Grand Zardugali Armed Forces |
| Message | "Despite the fact that they can perform certain combat duties better than men?" -Cpt Sakura Kobayashi |
| Date | 12:39:47, May 31, 2008 CET | From | Saiserist League | To | Debating the Saiserist Decree of 2584: Strengthening the Grand Zardugali Armed Forces |
| Message | "Did I fail to mention what the Holy Edicts Saiserica clearly and explicitly state? Honestly, this debate has lost all rationality. What more proof than the Edicts Saiserica do we need?" ~Grand Commander Molnirov, Defense Minister |
| Date | 13:40:35, May 31, 2008 CET | From | Konservativa Respublikano Parti | To | Debating the Saiserist Decree of 2584: Strengthening the Grand Zardugali Armed Forces |
| Message | "Well, I'm taking my evidence from official Ministry of Defence records, including one released only a few days ago, which pointed to various facts, including the higher level of skill that female RIOs have, either in the F-15SG Strike Eagle or the F/A-18E Super Hornet. I'm looking at the staffing levels of scout-sniper regiments within the Army, who tend to be about two-thirds female. I'm talking about the Air Corps/Navy's William Tell competition, which I won last year. Your 'Holy Edicts Saiserica' are nothing more than the crazed ramblings of a racist, sexist, genocidal psychopath, and therefore are not relevant as evidence." -Cpt Sakura Kobayashi |
| Date | 13:49:00, May 31, 2008 CET | From | Saiserist League | To | Debating the Saiserist Decree of 2584: Strengthening the Grand Zardugali Armed Forces |
| Message | "This is religious suppression! Comments such as these are nothing but attempts by the liberal aristocratic elite to demean our holy religious knowledge and the Holy Edicts Saiserica. They are trying to fight our argument with elitist concepts such as 'facts' and 'empirical evidence', both fundamentally heretical ideas. Hasn't Captain Kobayashi ever heard of something called 'faith'? Or perhaps they just fear our Holy Truth, because Volume X, the Book of Ugroza Rasistov, details very explicitly the fundamentally deceitful and horrific traits inherent within the Asian, and further outlays irrefutable arguments provign beyodn question that the Asian must be systematically enslaved and exterminated? I mean, seriously, lets restore some sense to this debate." ~Ariepiscop Vanya |
| Date | 14:11:25, May 31, 2008 CET | From | Konservativa Respublikano Parti | To | Debating the Saiserist Decree of 2584: Strengthening the Grand Zardugali Armed Forces |
| Message | "I'm actually religious myself, being an adherent of Tenrikyo. However, I talk about your religion in such a derogatory manner is because you speak about my gender, my race, and my own religion. Please do not try and claim that it is religious suppression, as you seem quite willing to suppress my own religion, race and gender. I believe the saying is 'you reap what you sow?' What is wrong for you to do, however is to try and force through legislation based on your minority religion. Also, please don't make the assumption that I haven't read your Edicts Saiserica. I actually have put myself through that torture." -Cpt Sakura Kobayashi |
| Date | 14:23:34, May 31, 2008 CET | From | Saiserist League | To | Debating the Saiserist Decree of 2584: Strengthening the Grand Zardugali Armed Forces |
| Message | "Typical Asian duplicity and double-talk. Thy are simply trying to disguise the fact that it is immoral and against Divine Law that Woman should serve in the Armed Forces. The plain and simple truth is here in my hand! (he holds up a gold-bound copy of the Edicts Saiserica, shouting across the floor of the National Directorate) It is time for the domination of these heretical and blasphemous practices to come to a crushing end!" ~Ariepiscop Vanya |
| Date | 14:39:24, May 31, 2008 CET | From | Konservativa Respublikano Parti | To | Debating the Saiserist Decree of 2584: Strengthening the Grand Zardugali Armed Forces |
| Message | "Double-talk? Do you even know what that means?" -Lt Col Alan Quinn, 7th Armoured Division "Your point about morality and Divine Law is fundamentally flawed. Morality is relative, my friend. You may think it is immoral for women to serve in the armed forces, I think it's not. Saiserism's Divine Law may have it as wrong. Tenrikyo's disagrees on this point. Again, for you the Edicts Saiserica may be the "plain and simple truth." For me, it's the teachings of Miki Nakayama. One final time, I ask you to please not force your own religious beliefs on me. Thank you." -Cpt Sakura Kobayashi |
| Date | 14:47:31, May 31, 2008 CET | From | Saiserist League | To | Debating the Saiserist Decree of 2584: Strengthening the Grand Zardugali Armed Forces |
| Message | "I've been observing this until now, but I must point out that the Edicts Saiserica is very clear that what is contained within it is absolute truth and it also is very explicit that is Divine Truths must be forced upon all the peoples of Terra. It is an integral part of Saiserism to forcibly convert heretics to the Divine Truth, and purge heresis such as Tenrikyo. Don't force us to obey your heretical teachings of relativity and tolerance to blasphemers!" ~Yuri Borokh, DM *Across the Directorate chamber, Saiserist DMs and speakers glare at Eirigi DMs and speakers. The cameras keep rolling, as the tension is so palpable the camber seems on the edge of a riot* |
| Date | 15:02:55, May 31, 2008 CET | From | Konservativa Respublikano Parti | To | Debating the Saiserist Decree of 2584: Strengthening the Grand Zardugali Armed Forces |
| Message | "Every religion claims to be the absolute truth, many also state that their beliefs are the only true way to get spiritual or physical salvation. However, in our modern society, your one is by far the most aggressive in that respect. It is quite disturbing, actually. I believe that Saiserism is heretical, yet I do not attempt to "purge" it. So please do us the same respect, for your sake, our sake, and the sake of our country." -Cpt Sakura Kobayashi *Meanwhile, Lt Col Quinn can be heard making a phone call. Most of the call is inaudible, however one comment is picked up on the Directory's microphone, where he can be heard saying "You know all these people, get those fuckers." |
| Date | 15:29:29, May 31, 2008 CET | From | Saiserist League | To | Debating the Saiserist Decree of 2584: Strengthening the Grand Zardugali Armed Forces |
| Message | "More liberal Asian and Irish slander! These fools, who spread this disease called Tenrikyo, to empty-headed dreamers, and undermine the Divine Truth of the Edicts Saiserica. They dare to call Our Beloved Founder Saiser Volodimir a 'racist, sexist, genocidal psychopath', and that is blasphemous slander! Respect? Bah! I spit on your duplicitous elitist concept of 'respect'!" ~DM Vasily Bretliev, right before violently shoving the Eirigi DM seated next to him and triumphantly standing on his seating bench, waving a hardbound copy of the Edicts Saiserica in the air *All around the National Directorate chamber, shoving and scuffles begin to break out between Saiserist DMs and Eirigi DMs, even as party leaders and speakers of both parties on the sideline hushedly bark into their cellphones* |
| Date | 18:08:02, May 31, 2008 CET | From | Konservativa Respublikano Parti | To | Debating the Saiserist Decree of 2584: Strengthening the Grand Zardugali Armed Forces |
| Message | Despite the violence erupting in the chamber, the Speaker of the Directory is still allowing the debate to continue. Sakura returns to her lectern to continue the debate. "Tenri-O-no-Mikoto, may you stay the hands of those on both sides who wish to sow hatred amongst each other," she whispers more to herself than anything else. Like the "fuckers" comment, this is also picked up by the microphones. "Mr Bretliev, when I was enslaved, I had to work in the Saiserist League's headquarters. I remember seeing a quote on the walls of the headquarters, and the truth about Saiserism was revealed to me. The quote was of Adolf Hitler, a man who committed a genocide even greater than that of Volodimir Saiser. "Make the deceit big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it" I think it was. Forgive me if I seem contemptuous to you and your beliefs, but I've seen Saiserism in action and it is not a pretty sight." |
| Date | 18:37:22, May 31, 2008 CET | From | Saiserist League | To | Debating the Saiserist Decree of 2584: Strengthening the Grand Zardugali Armed Forces |
| Message | *Vasily Bretliev is still standing on his seating bench (set your background to euro2 to see the chamber I'm envisioning), waving the Edicts Saiserica in the air. The minor scuffles have escalated into outright violence, while the horrified members of the other parties look on. DM Bretliev points at the lectern as he begins screaming again* "Lies! Clear lies! What do we expect from a liberal, an Asian, and a WOMAN none the less?!? You, like so many of your sinful kind, are trying to sneak out of the penance your sex still owes for disloyalty to the Divine eons ago, using elitist liberal ideas like 'respect' and 'tolerance'. If Our Saiser would ever hang such a quote in his office, none of my DMs would be here today. But we are, because ludicrous claims such as this are clear examples of liberal slander and lies! Read the Truth!" ~Vasily Bretliev, DM, right before he threw his copy of the Edicts Saiserica at Sakura which struck her right in the forehead |
| Date | 19:06:59, May 31, 2008 CET | From | Konservativa Respublikano Parti | To | Debating the Saiserist Decree of 2584: Strengthening the Grand Zardugali Armed Forces |
| Message | *The brawl within the Directory has become more and more violent. One Saiserist DM can be seen receiving medical care from an Eirigi DM, a rare example of compassion crossing party lines within the Directory* "Bretliev! How dare you! If you had been listening to Madame Kobayashi, you would have heard her say that she already has read it! Speaker of the Directory, I demand that you end this debate, it has become nothing more than a farce. The Saiserists are trying to create a riot, as they have tried to destroy Zardugal!" -Lt Col Alan Quinn "It reveals something about the Saiserist religion when they have no qualms about throwing their sacred texts around as if they were nothing more than waste paper. Which is what I think it is." -Cpt Sakura Kobayashi |
| Date | 19:27:09, May 31, 2008 CET | From | Saiserist League | To | Debating the Saiserist Decree of 2584: Strengthening the Grand Zardugali Armed Forces |
| Message | *the Saiserist DMs begin ganging up on the outnumbered Eirigi DMs. The fighting begins to spill over and involve other parties' DMs, and soon a full-scale riot begins to emerge. The Eirigi DM attempting to give medical care to the badly injured Saiserist DM is brutally knocked over the head by another Saiserist DM with a blunt metal object. The Eirigi DM collapses to the floor, the back of his head bleeding. Secretary Naryshkin breaks away from the tight circle of Saiserist leaders on the sidelines and makes his way to the lectern, where he begins screaming at Kobayashi, which naturally carries over the microphone* "Look what you have done. This is the hatred and violence your liberal words and aristocratic ideas cause! Recant your slurs and lies against Our Saiser! All you have done is proven the point that was the point of this debate: Women have NO place in our military!" ~Secretary Mstislav Naryshkin |
| Date | 19:36:38, May 31, 2008 CET | From | Konservativa Respublikano Parti | To | Debating the Saiserist Decree of 2584: Strengthening the Grand Zardugali Armed Forces |
| Message | *Sure enough, the few Spec-Ops lads within the Directory get to work. Slowly but surely, the numbers of Saiserist and Eirigi members whittle down, more Saiserists getting taken out than Eirigi, until it gets to a point where just over twenty Eirigi surround the last ten Saiserists* "What I've done? It wasn't me who did it, it was Vasily Bretliev. If he could keep his hands, or his books, to himself, we wouldn't be in this mess! If you hadn't decided to bring this stupid bill which would destroy the RIO, scout-sniper and administration disciplines within the military. Not that it matters, as this racist, pointless debate and riot are coming to a close. Women will continue to serve in the military and LONG MAY IT CONTINUE!" -Cpt Sakura Kobayashi |
| Date | 19:38:35, May 31, 2008 CET | From | Saiserist League | To | Debating the Saiserist Decree of 2584: Strengthening the Grand Zardugali Armed Forces |
| Message | *Fuming, Secretary Naryshkin and his entourage of other Saiserist leaders, including Ariepiscop Vanya, skulk out of the Directorate chamber as the Spec-Ops restore order* |
| Date | 20:20:09, May 31, 2008 CET | From | Konservativa Respublikano Parti | To | Debating the Saiserist Decree of 2584: Strengthening the Grand Zardugali Armed Forces |
| Message | The two main Eirigi speakers during the debate, Cpt Sakura Kobayashi and Lt Col Alan Quinn, talk to each other. Once again, most of the conversation is lost, but the last snippet is heard. "Looks like the baby's having a tantrum" was the only part picked up by the microphones, as the two tried to help those hurt during the riot. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes | Total Seats: 153 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 447 | ||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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