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Bill: Anti-private health care Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Red Star Movement
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2116
Description[?]:
| This Act supports free, universal health care to all, not a two tier system. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Health care policy.
Old value:: There is a public health care system, but private clinics are allowed.
Current: There is a free public health care system and a small number of private clinics, which are heavily regulated to ensure they treat their patients well and provide good care.
Proposed: Health care is entirely public and free; private clinics are banned.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 19:38:59, September 21, 2005 CET | From | Red Star Movement | To | Debating the Anti-private health care Act |
| Message | Private health care saps doctors and resources from the main health service. As long as the health service is free at the point of use, it's all we need. The main profiter from private medicine is doctors, and the health service is for the people, not for doctors to line their pockets. Why should rich people be able to receive better health care than any others? Completely wrong. |
| Date | 19:58:51, September 21, 2005 CET | From | Kirlawa Green Party | To | Debating the Anti-private health care Act |
| Message | we will support this |
| Date | 20:48:07, September 21, 2005 CET | From | Kirlawa Freedom Party | To | Debating the Anti-private health care Act |
| Message | Well in your proposed system, waiting lists are the norm rather than exception, because in these systems doctors have to meet bureaucratic regulations and so on. Look to the NHS in the UK and the healthcare system in the netherlands, waitinglists are that long that patients have to escape to belgium and other countries in order not to die on these waitinglists. |
| Date | 20:53:00, September 21, 2005 CET | From |  Theofascist Party | To | Debating the Anti-private health care Act |
| Message | I will not support this. |
| Date | 17:56:50, September 22, 2005 CET | From | Red Star Movement | To | Debating the Anti-private health care Act |
| Message | Well, there's going to be a waiting list whether there's a private health system or not, and in actual fact, private care does not speed up the time it takes to get through a waiting list. |
| Date | 18:44:10, September 22, 2005 CET | From | Federalist Labour Party | To | Debating the Anti-private health care Act |
| Message | Private healthcare, unlike public, is regulated by the rules of supply and demand; there are never any waiting lists in normal circumstances. SUPPLY DECREASES, PRICES GO UP, LIMITING THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WHO CAN AQUIRE ACCESS TO HEALTHCARE, SUSTAINING SUPPLY. Although, we support the idea of public and free healthcare, we oppose the government retaining the right of taxation in order to pay for it. Even so, if our free market socialism bill were to pass, the income gap between rich and poor would diminish dramatically. Resulting in the ability of all citizens to afford adequate medical care, completely without government intervention & theft. |
| Date | 09:43:04, September 23, 2005 CET | From | Kirlawa Freedom Party | To | Debating the Anti-private health care Act |
| Message | public healthcare will increase waitinglists due to bureaucracy |
| Date | 15:57:29, September 23, 2005 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Workers Party | To | Debating the Anti-private health care Act |
| Message | Private healthcare diverts resources and capable doctors away from the public system, and increases waitinglists for the general population. |
| Date | 15:12:01, September 24, 2005 CET | From | Red Star Movement | To | Debating the Anti-private health care Act |
| Message | Exactly. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 125 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 176 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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