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Bill: Welfare Reform Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Liberal Party of Hobrazia
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 2588
Description[?]:
| It's time for a competitive, innovative, and modern solution to poverty. Old government talk of welfare is inappropriate in light of its many shortcomings. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Guarantee of minimum income.
Old value:: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a very basic subsistence income by the government. However, the provision of this is not to exceed a certian period of time.
Current: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a reasonable, though not high, standard of living by the government.
Proposed: There shall be no direct cash payments to individuals to guarantee a minimum income.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the pension system.
Old value:: The state operates a compulsory public system combined with an optional private pension.
Current: The state operates a compulsory public system combined with an optional private pension.
Proposed: There is a compulsory private pension system.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 09:24:56, June 05, 2008 CET | From |  People's Liberation Front of Hobrazia | To | Debating the Welfare Reform Act |
| Message | No. |
| Date | 10:57:54, June 05, 2008 CET | From | Hobrazian Peoples Party | To | Debating the Welfare Reform Act |
| Message | We can not accept this. And we believe this is not a reform bill, it is a downgrade bil. |
| Date | 17:40:50, June 05, 2008 CET | From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the Welfare Reform Act |
| Message | In light of its many shortcomings? Considering the alternative the situation we operate at present is far more amenable to all people than that proposed by the LPoH. Our current legislation on unemployment benefit stipulates that a person not supported by another shall be provided a subsistence income for a short period so long as they are looking for employment. Considering the alternative is starvation, the current system is far more agreeable than that proposed within this bill. In regards pension schemes, private pension schemes are renowned for not providing an adequate return on the investment given and are at the whim of market forces. People investing in private schemes rarely get the money they expect and often lose vast amounts so to force them to rely on such a system to secure them in their old age is harmful to the nation as a whole. This bill merely shows that the LPoH merely wishes to increase private business provision without any concern for the welfare of the people of this nation. |
| Date | 00:50:47, June 07, 2008 CET | From | First Party Of Hobrazia | To | Debating the Welfare Reform Act |
| Message | There are limits to what we can support and the LPoH is reaching them |
| Date | 02:52:57, June 07, 2008 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hobrazia | To | Debating the Welfare Reform Act |
| Message | The First Party does not need to support everything we propose. We have already lost patience with them and their neglect for the need for democracy. |
| Date | 14:35:51, June 07, 2008 CET | From | First Party Of Hobrazia | To | Debating the Welfare Reform Act |
| Message | I wouldn't get onto a high horse about the issue of you in the government. The FPoH has been there. We were the largest party for quite sometime however we were frozen out of the government. we simply worked with those within and gained acceptance that we could work together. Now as one of the older parties in Hobrazia we work with our long time colleagues for the good of Hobrazia. simply talk and negotiate positions and i'm sure we can eventually forge on together in government. Also you talk of democracy. We allowed all members of our party to vote on the issue as was seen. This is democracy at the smallest level. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 155 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 245 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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| Random quote: "An "acceptable" level of unemployment means that the government economist to whom it is acceptable still has a job." - Author Unknown |