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Bill: devt3
Details
Submitted by[?]: Progressive Conservative Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2116
Description[?]:
| devt |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The use of torture for obtaining information.
Old value:: Torture is never allowed.
Current: Torture is never allowed.
Proposed: Suspects can only be tortured under grave emergencies where the information is vital.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 11:55:25, September 22, 2005 CET | From |  Secular Humanist Party | To | Debating the devt3 |
| Message | NO WAY. Human rights above all |
| Date | 13:54:31, September 22, 2005 CET | From | Kanjoran People's Party | To | Debating the devt3 |
| Message | Ditto. I oppose. |
| Date | 16:03:20, September 22, 2005 CET | From | Kanjoran Imperial Party | To | Debating the devt3 |
| Message | I support, a lot |
| Date | 16:13:37, September 22, 2005 CET | From | Populist Liberal Party | To | Debating the devt3 |
| Message | We are going to vote in favor, as we believe "grave emergencies where the information is vital" is sufficient protection that-- well, hopefully it would not be used at all, but at most it would be used extremely rarely. It is worth doing horrible things to one person to save hundreds or thousands of lives. |
| Date | 21:05:37, September 25, 2005 CET | From | Kanjoran People's Party | To | Debating the devt3 |
| Message | Then I feel sorry for our soldiers during times of war. |
| Date | 21:12:38, September 25, 2005 CET | From | Populist Liberal Party | To | Debating the devt3 |
| Message | Then let's draft a treaty like the Geneva Convention that protects all signatories' soldiers from torture at the hands of any other signatory. |
| Date | 21:45:41, September 25, 2005 CET | From | Kanjoran People's Party | To | Debating the devt3 |
| Message | And once treaties work in this game, and once that treaty is passed, we will support this bill and our troops won't have to pay for it. |
| Date | 21:56:43, September 25, 2005 CET | From | Populist Liberal Party | To | Debating the devt3 |
| Message | We can draft a resolution right now (like a bill, but with no game-recognized proposal) that should alleviate your fears on that count if passed. |
| Date | 22:23:23, September 25, 2005 CET | From | Kanjoran People's Party | To | Debating the devt3 |
| Message | Once it passes I'll support this action. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 401 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 198 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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