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Bill: Budget proposal of October 2589
Details
Submitted by[?]: The Liberal Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill proposes to change the allocation of funds in the budget. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2590
Description[?]:
| The The Liberal Party propose to adjust the government's spending budget to better address the economic and social situation of the United Republics of Lodamun. |
Proposals
Article 1
| Ministry | Current Budget | Old Budget | Propesed Budget |
| Head of Government | 500,000,000 LOD | 250,000,000 LOD | 250,000,000 LOD |
| Foreign Affairs | 4,000,000,000 LOD | 3,000,000,000 LOD | 3,000,000,000 LOD |
| Internal Affairs | 6,000,000,000 LOD | 4,000,000,000 LOD | 4,000,000,000 LOD |
| Finance | 1,500,000,000 LOD | 800,000,000 LOD | 800,000,000 LOD |
| Defence | 11,500,000,000 LOD | 70,000,000,000 LOD | 47,000,000,000 LOD |
| Justice | 5,500,000,000 LOD | 2,500,000,000 LOD | 2,500,000,000 LOD |
| Infrastructure and Transport | 7,500,000,000 LOD | 7,000,000,000 LOD | 7,000,000,000 LOD |
| Health and Social Services | 20,000,000,000 LOD | 17,100,000,000 LOD | 27,100,000,000 LOD |
| Education and Culture | 17,500,000,000 LOD | 30,000,000,000 LOD | 44,000,000,000 LOD |
| Science and Technology | 2,000,000,000 LOD | 8,000,000,000 LOD | 9,000,000,000 LOD |
| Food and Agriculture | 5,000,000,000 LOD | 2,800,000,000 LOD | 2,800,000,000 LOD |
| Environment and Tourism | 500,000,000 LOD | 5,000,000,000 LOD | 7,000,000,000 LOD |
| Trade and Industry | 5,500,000,000 LOD | 1,550,000,000 LOD | 1,550,000,000 LOD |
| Total | 87,000,000,000 LOD | 152,000,000,000 LOD | 156,000,000,000 LOD |
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 23:31:42, June 10, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of October 2589 |
| Message | The same budget proposal, except I added 4 billion to education from the corporation tax increase. |
| Date | 10:34:07, June 11, 2008 CET | From | Anarchist Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the Budget proposal of October 2589 |
| Message | I'm all for it. |
| Date | 16:19:49, June 11, 2008 CET | From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of October 2589 |
| Message | Cut defence more |
| Date | 20:07:30, June 11, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of October 2589 |
| Message | No. |
| Date | 21:42:17, June 11, 2008 CET | From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of October 2589 |
| Message | How many parties here would support limiting the armed forces (like nuclear and biological weapons etc.)? Just asking (And I know you position LP) |
| Date | 21:44:10, June 11, 2008 CET | From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of October 2589 |
| Message | And how could you get 4 bill more from the increased corporation tax? |
| Date | 21:55:21, June 11, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of October 2589 |
| Message | Don't try to manipulate this. Even if we reduce the defense budget more, we will still maintain nuclear weapons because those are the laws. The corporation tax was increased to 9%, it gave us 4 billion more. |
| Date | 22:34:59, June 11, 2008 CET | From | Republican Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the Budget proposal of October 2589 |
| Message | We think this is an insult to the greatest nation on earth. We believe that defence should not be cut as drastic. And believe that government should start working towards privatization and less interference towards taxation. |
| Date | 23:15:58, June 11, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of October 2589 |
| Message | I guess I have to inform the Conservative Party because apparently they don't understand. First of all, I am the biggest supporter of defense in this country, any party can tell you that. But we don't need a defense budget so high. The only reason it was at 70 billion LOD was because we had to pay for a naval contract (which I proposed) and a missile defense shield (which I also proposed). The contract is almost paid off, we don't need that money now. We have a completely free education system, no private schools. So, we need the money for that. We have an almost completely free health care system, so, we also need money for that. Natural disasters exist and we need to prevent it. That's why Environment and Tourism is getting some money. And please try not to say that we don't care about our country. We care very much. |
| Date | 00:15:14, June 12, 2008 CET | From | Republican Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the Budget proposal of October 2589 |
| Message | Thank you for the walkthrough. All I saw, as I didn't have any sort of backround information was: My God! They're drasticly cutting defense! Theoretically I'm against your policies. But to make the best out of everything I'll support this budget. Even though we do not have any seats. You'll have my "true" support. :) |
| Date | 00:17:56, June 12, 2008 CET | From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of October 2589 |
| Message | Your statement that we got 4 billions more from the corporation tax increase is simply wrong. As off right now our total income from that tax is 2.6 billion, no where near the 4 billion you stated. As for what you said CP, I agree with you, but LP does not want privatization, they recently decided to enforce there will on our nations parents by taking away from them the choice of education for there children by banning private schools. They are pro big governement so your not gonna see anything like that in there bills |
| Date | 00:38:22, June 12, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of October 2589 |
| Message | We received 4 more billions from the corporation tax. Trust me, this is going to be a balanced budget with a surplus of 1-2 billion LOD. You know that. I will NEVER put us in a deficit spending. I didn't enforce my will on the people, we voted on what was best for the people. If private education is not doing the job, we need to step in and fix it. That's what we did, even though you opposed it. Something you left out, the majority of Parliament voted for it, we didn;t do anything illegal. |
| Date | 00:39:08, June 12, 2008 CET | From | Republican Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the Budget proposal of October 2589 |
| Message | "Party for Freedom" (LP) Erhm. Well, Anyway. I was just trying to make the best out of our big government. |
| Date | 00:49:11, June 12, 2008 CET | From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of October 2589 |
| Message | We did not recive 4 more billions from the corporation tax, its not possible since our total income from that tax is 2.6 billion (check the budget information on the nation page). I know a majority of the parties voted for it, but it is imposing our will on our citizens, taking away from them the choice of what type of education to get. How would you feel if say I managed to get a bill passed which outlawed public education? (no need to reply to that specific comment, we both know the answer). We should provide private education as a equal form of education to public, not ban one and force everyone into the other. Right now our school system is communistic and totalitarian because the government controls every aspect of it, refusing to allow any other alternatives You also never produced any evidence private education where not doing its job. Also you have never really said a argument for why public education is best. I have said why I prefer private education (more individualistic, not as much focus on egalitarianism, more choices etc) but all you have said is public education is best, whithout telling any specific arguments) |
| Date | 01:00:25, June 12, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of October 2589 |
| Message | You are right on the corporation tax. I only looked at the revenue and assumed it came all from the corporation tax. But we have the money anyways. I did tell you the benefits of public education and the disadvantages of private education. When we changed our laws, I gave the reason why we were doing it. |
| Date | 01:41:25, June 12, 2008 CET | From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of October 2589 |
| Message | You said that one government funded investigation (with political motives?) had showed that only some of them worked then said that banning private education where the best option for our people. You dident say much specific arguments. |
| Date | 02:33:27, June 12, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of October 2589 |
| Message | No one asked for them. Are you in any way doubting the word of our Prime Minister? |
| Date | 07:38:05, June 13, 2008 CET | From | Pariah Idealism | To | Debating the Budget proposal of October 2589 |
| Message | Congratulations on passing this! |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 77 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 40 | |||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 33 |
| Random fact: The people in your nation don't like inactive parties. When you often abstain from voting for a bill, they will dislike your party and your visibility to the electorate will decrease significantly. Low visibility will means you are likely to lose seats. So keep in mind: voting Yes or No is always better than Abstaining. |
| Random quote: "A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven." - Jean Chretien (describing the level of proof about weapons of mass destruction that Canada required to join the Iraq War) |