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Bill: Creation of New Cabinet Positions
Details
Submitted by[?]: The Liberal Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 2591
Description[?]:
| Even though the following positions are unofficial advisors, we would like to make them part of the cabinet. They won't cost any money since their resources are provided by the Defense Ministry. The nominees for these positions must be included along with the cabinet proposal unless no change is needed. The following positions are going to be included in the cabinet: 1- National Security Advisor 2- Director of the National Security Agency (NSA) 3- Direcor of the Lodamun Counter-Intelligency Agency (LCA) 4- Director of the National Bureau of Investigations (NBI) |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 13:58:43, June 12, 2008 CET | From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Creation of New Cabinet Positions |
| Message | Well this would be a constitutional change and so require 2/3 of the votes. I dont see the need to establish this positions as cabinet members, especially not the National security advisor. I think 1 should just be used as a title for the presidents top advisors on national security, not as a minister post. Also 1 and 2 would do the same it seems from the name. 2,3 and 4 I think dont really need to be included in the cabinet because we do not live in a police state and as such do not need to add the spy (2 and 3) and police (4) chiefs to the cabinet |
| Date | 22:14:52, June 12, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Creation of New Cabinet Positions |
| Message | They will not become Ministers, just part of the cabinet. The National Security Advisor is a different person from the Director of the NSA. I want to add more importance to those people. |
| Date | 00:30:52, June 13, 2008 CET | From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Creation of New Cabinet Positions |
| Message | You dont need to add any more importence to those people, they are already powerful enough as it is. And how can they be a member of the cabinet without being a minister? |
| Date | 00:44:41, June 13, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Creation of New Cabinet Positions |
| Message | Part of the cabinet doesn't automatically mean you HAVE to be a Minister. Since this is Constitutional Amendment anyways, there is no need to fight about being Minister or not. We are not opening any new Ministries, we are simply adding new people to the cabinet. I know they are powerful people, that's why I think they deserve to be part of the cabinet. |
| Date | 07:42:08, June 13, 2008 CET | From | Pariah Idealism | To | Debating the Creation of New Cabinet Positions |
| Message | I don't like it. It complicates things Can't we give them their own special sector that goes up for vote through the cabinet? |
| Date | 22:21:41, June 13, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Creation of New Cabinet Positions |
| Message | Since they are advisors to the President, the President chooses his/her advisors. The same with the Cabinet. I am actually trying to give more power to Parliament, a rare thing coming from me. |
| Date | 00:33:32, June 14, 2008 CET | From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Creation of New Cabinet Positions |
| Message | It is indeed rare, but at the same time you are expanding the executive branch with 4 new cabinet positions |
| Date | 00:43:18, June 14, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Creation of New Cabinet Positions |
| Message | Those positions are already there, unofficially. Hey, but much better for me, more power for the executive branch. |
| Date | 02:41:23, June 14, 2008 CET | From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Creation of New Cabinet Positions |
| Message | no, the executive power is bound to the cabinet and the president through the constitution |
| Date | 03:16:25, June 14, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Creation of New Cabinet Positions |
| Message | The executive power is given to the executive branch (the ENTIRE branch). The advisors will remain there anyways. |
| Date | 03:45:46, June 14, 2008 CET | From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Creation of New Cabinet Positions |
| Message | The executive power is owned by the president and exercised by the cabinet |
| Date | 04:54:18, June 14, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Creation of New Cabinet Positions |
| Message | Any intelligence agency is part of the executive branch. Are you telling me that we shouldn't have any intelligency agency? |
| Date | 22:19:44, June 14, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Creation of New Cabinet Positions |
| Message | This didn't pass just so everyone knows. It needed 100 votes. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 61 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 51 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 38 |
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