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Bill: Resolution to Assemble a National Security Council
Details
Submitted by[?]: Liberal Party of Hobrazia
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2594
Description[?]:
| Recognized; that in time of international conflict, in which Hobrazia clearly has a national security interest, a system must be organized to clarify the chain of command and to govern Hobrazia's military. Recognized; that this need becomes particularly acute when the powerful position of the Emperor Elect is controlled by a party not included in the powerful responsibilities of cabinet. Recognized; that pointless partisan bickering between the cabinet and the Head of State is unproductive, and, furthermore, that the political will does not yet seem to exist to form a unity government. The Imperial Chamber is hereby asked to determine the responsibilities and members of a National Security Council, to organize and prepare Hobrazia's security. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 15:03:14, June 14, 2008 CET | From |  First Party Of Hobrazia | To | Debating the Resolution to Assemble a National Security Council |
| Message | We agree that there is no need for bickering between government and Emperor Elect, however we are happy with the curretn position of the Emperor Elect and Minister of Defence being in charge of miitary movements, thus in this case forcing dialouge between the Emperor and government. We only see a national security council as a waste of taxpayers money, where men and women will get together and talk with little action being agreed. |
| Date | 17:06:52, June 14, 2008 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hobrazia | To | Debating the Resolution to Assemble a National Security Council |
| Message | We should be more specific. We need a clear chain-of-command for troop movement and command. In time of emergency, we need to know who has the ultimate command over the armed forces. ((OOC: In other words, who can make RP decisions and who posts orders on the forum, etc. This was unnecessary when the First Party held both the Emperor's seat and the Defense Ministry. That situation has now changed.)) |
| Date | 19:37:15, June 14, 2008 CET | From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the Resolution to Assemble a National Security Council |
| Message | OOC: Historically the Minister of Defence has been in charge of troop movements after discussion with the HoS/HoG (dependent upon the importance of the HoS during our nations history) and the Foreign Office. More recently the Foreign Office has taken a back seat in military matters dealing with the political ramifications rather the military ones. Ultimately, the MoD has control of the armed forces, however it requires the agreement of the FO and/or the HoS before deployment. |
| Date | 21:39:34, June 14, 2008 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hobrazia | To | Debating the Resolution to Assemble a National Security Council |
| Message | ((OOC: Really? I interpreted it the other way, since First (FPoH) announced that Emperor Elect Alexander Neesam had sent the troops into the conflict. This is what he wrote which made me think this: "I as emperor Elect have ordered our brave men and women to the Darnussian border" "The emperor Elect in his final act in power declared that Hobrazian forces would come to the aid of the Narikaton forces" I assumed from that that the commander-in-chief had final say in the movement of troops, and RPed off of that. If that was incorrect I apologize, but I think you can see where I'm coming from. Regardless, what is done is done, and our troops are no longer in Darnussia, so we'll have to play it from there. I suppose we could consider it a constitutional crisis or something of the sort. BTWs, I hope no one is actually offended by my rough-RP tactics. Everything is IC I hope, I just wanted to play a blunt, semi-power-hungry Liberal Party.)) |
| Date | 00:06:26, June 15, 2008 CET | From | First Party Of Hobrazia | To | Debating the Resolution to Assemble a National Security Council |
| Message | OOC: Ah if i have casued some confusion i apologise, i have done it that way as i used the Emperor as commander in chief to announce it, but since i held both it was never an issue. I am happy to contiue with the current RP as it is |
| Date | 11:13:32, June 15, 2008 CET | From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the Resolution to Assemble a National Security Council |
| Message | OOC: Not a problem, and nothing to apoligise for. RP is fun and helps make the game more interesting. And don't worry, I think most here can tell the difference between RP and OOC. In regards explanations to the press, the C-I-C would be likely to make the initial announcements anyway (whether they agree with it or not, that's the problem with the job) and the MoD making additional and later announcement of specific movements, but I can understand the confusion. |
| Date | 11:14:42, June 15, 2008 CET | From | People's Liberation Front of Hobrazia | To | Debating the Resolution to Assemble a National Security Council |
| Message | We oppose militarism- no. |
| Date | 01:14:50, June 17, 2008 CET | From | Hobrazian Peoples Party | To | Debating the Resolution to Assemble a National Security Council |
| Message | We will vote no on a security council, but support the idea of a debate on chain of command. We though must agree to the WSS!Ps point of view with teh MoD being in charge, with the HoS having a kind of veto in certain things, though this can be changed by a parliament resolution. Also we believe the Foreign minister have had a say in this in our history. Primarily though, it has been the MoD who were responsible for tactical movements and deployment through out my long time in hobrazia. We believe that the FPoH mistakenly wrote it as the emperor elect controlled it all, but that can be explained by using WSS!Ps idea. OOC: If you are a rough playing liberal party you should be prepared for rough remarks back. |
| Date | 19:40:12, June 17, 2008 CET | From | First Party Of Hobrazia | To | Debating the Resolution to Assemble a National Security Council |
| Message | We are united then, it is our view that the MoD is incharge of military movements. However i do think a collection of things the HoS has veto on may be necessary |
| Date | 19:48:25, June 17, 2008 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hobrazia | To | Debating the Resolution to Assemble a National Security Council |
| Message | For the record. |
| Date | 21:10:03, June 18, 2008 CET | From | Hobrazian Peoples Party | To | Debating the Resolution to Assemble a National Security Council |
| Message | The HoS AND the MoFA. Maybe also the HoG. |
| Date | 23:10:59, June 18, 2008 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hobrazia | To | Debating the Resolution to Assemble a National Security Council |
| Message | I know I'm inactive, but this might be important in the future so I'm going to put it to a vote again for the record. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes | Total Seats: 0 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 344 | ||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 56 |
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