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Bill: Secularism Correction Bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: Kommunisticheskiy Komitet Ideologiy
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2592
Description[?]:
| The TCS is in no way secular, as many believe it is. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change
Taxation of religious institutions.
Old value:: Recognized religions are not taxed.
Current: Recognized religions are not taxed.
Proposed: No religions are taxed.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The governments stance on religious schools.
Old value:: Only recognised religions may set up religious schools, with no regulations.
Current: Any religion may set up a school, with no regulations.
Proposed: All schools are required to be religious in nature.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy with respect to prayer in schools.
Old value:: Teacher-led prayers in schools are encouraged.
Current: Teacher-led prayers in schools are forbidden, except in religious schools.
Proposed: Teacher-led prayers are mandatory in schools.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning religions.
Old value:: There is an official state religion, but membership is completely voluntary.
Current: There is no government policy concerning a state religion.
Proposed: There is an official state religion, and membership is mandatory.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 21:36:11, June 14, 2008 CET | From |  East Trigunia Company | To | Debating the Secularism Correction Bill |
| Message | The Christian Soldiers oppose anything mandated. |
| Date | 21:40:42, June 14, 2008 CET | From | Obshestvo Stroiteley Terri | To | Debating the Secularism Correction Bill |
| Message | The Socialie Anarhisti oppose anything religious. |
| Date | 03:38:51, June 15, 2008 CET | From | Family and Tradition Party (disbanded) | To | Debating the Secularism Correction Bill |
| Message | We support teacher-led prayers in public schools, but we do not support mandatory religion, or all schools being forced to be religious in nature, and we do not support tax-exempt status for unrecognized 'religions' - such leniance might allow money-grabbing cult schams to operate freely, even though they are not a legitimate religion. You cannot force someone to believe in God. Such laws are also a violation of freedom of association. |
| Date | 13:20:14, June 15, 2008 CET | From | Korporatsia Ignatova | To | Debating the Secularism Correction Bill |
| Message | And yet you force people to behave like Christains with laws banning abortion and homosexuality. The hypocrisy is incredible. |
| Date | 02:28:42, June 16, 2008 CET | From | Family and Tradition Party (disbanded) | To | Debating the Secularism Correction Bill |
| Message | Abortion and homosexuality are not exclusively religious issues - granted, most Christian denominations oppose homosexual rights and abortion, but not all, and many people who are in no way religious oppose abortion and homosexual rights for reasons other than religious ones. Abortion isn't just wrong because Christianity says so - it's wrong because ending an innocent human life is always wrong, regardless of the circumstances. The value of human life is an ethical and moral virtue deeply entrenched in the cultural foundations of Trigunia. Similarly, the family unit is a long-established, time-tested societal institution that forms the backbone of our societal mechanism, and homosexual rights are immediately destructive to the institution of the family. These values transcend the barriers of time and place in Trigunia, because they are entrenched in our culture, our values, the foundation of our society. Granted, these virtues owe their roots to the Christian moral foundation of this country, but that is a moral foundation that should be respected and preserved, not just because we believe everybody should be a Christian or some such nonsense, but because it is Trigunia's heritage, and far be it from any party or person now to question the wisdoms of years past. Far be it from any party now to presume moral superiority to the wise men who founded this country with a vision of Christian morality in mind. The Family and Tradition Party looks not to modern, abstract notions of equality, and philisophical superstitions like complete freedom of the individual to do whatever they want - we look, instead, to Trigunia's history for the pearls of wisdom that can best guide our country into the future. We look for the values and institutions of our heritage that have stood the test of time, and believe that these values and institutions are a better guide than abstract, untested philisophical notions that have no root in culture, tradition, or religion, or politically correct social constructs that make no sense and are justified only on the basis of what is, in the modern era, accepted as a 'given' moral truth - that all should be 'equal'. The historical values of Trigunia are, to the FTP, worth preserving at all costs. But forcing people to be a part of a religion is a different thing altogether, and stands in stark contrast to Trigunia's heritage. One of the most fundamental Christian values is that one can only accept the teachings of God through their own will - nobody can force someone to believe in something if they do not truly believe in it. So, we say to the TF, there is no hypocricy in any of our actions or voting record. We are coherant with this country's heritage and traditions; its moral foundations, and we are suspicious of anything that comes into conflict with these foundations. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 0 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 463 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 92 |
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