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Bill: Emergency Election: In response to the coup de tat
Details
Submitted by[?]: TSDRP
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill requests an early election. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline. Elections will be held immediately if the bill passes.
Voting deadline: October 2594
Description[?]:
| The integrity and respectability of Trigunia has been challenged by the conflict between Monarchists and Republicans. We ask that parties consider an early election, to see what the people truly think of this conflict. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 16:04:50, June 19, 2008 CET |
From |  Kommunisticheskiy Komitet Rabochih | To | Debating the Emergency Election: In response to the coup de tat | | Message | I don't think that is a very fair analysis - the people made their choice in the last election to elect a Republican government, but the Tsarist parties prevented this being realised and therefore created the conflict. Another election is not the way to resolve the conflict - only the Tsarists recognising the results of the last election, laying down their weapons and respecting the democratic integrity of the Trigunian people will resolve the conflict.
But we also note we have no seats, and so our vote on this matter doesn't really matter. |
| Date | 17:00:03, June 19, 2008 CET |
From | Partija Kontr-Revoljucionerov | To | Debating the Emergency Election: In response to the coup de tat | | Message | The results of the last election have been recognised, and some Tsarists supported changing the conditions for creating the cabinet.
We are wary of supporting this Bill. Although new elections could help solve the situation, there is still a fair amount of legislation being voted upon, and it is likely that a new government will be formed shortly, so that it can be held to account for its bizzare economic plans. |
| Date | 21:25:30, June 19, 2008 CET |
From |  TSDRP | To | Debating the Emergency Election: In response to the coup de tat | | Message | No a republican is someone who supports a non-monarchical form of goverment where representatives of the people legislate. You may fulfil the first, but your party certainly doesnt fulfil the second. |
| Date | 22:35:39, June 19, 2008 CET |
From | Korporatsia Ignatova | To | Debating the Emergency Election: In response to the coup de tat | | Message | OOC: Are you, perchance an American? That's an oft-peddled myth I'm afraid. It doesn't mean anything of the sort. It's a mistake that often occurs because people confuse the American Republican Party with the political concept of republicanism, which is limited solely to opposition to a monarchy (it doesn't help that many historical republican movements have also been in favour of democratic systems). |
| Date | 00:21:20, June 20, 2008 CET |
From | Kommunisticheskiy Komitet Rabochih | To | Debating the Emergency Election: In response to the coup de tat | | Message | To add to TF's point, what about Plato's republic (the original republic) - as far as I know that was ruled by an enlightened dictator who ruled in the interest of everyone.
But that is an irrelevance - regardless of the historic or political definition, two rough groupings have formed one named Tsarist and one named Republican. Look at the Spanish Civil War - are Stalinists Republicans? What about the Anarchists, would you class them as Republicans? So even if, and I mean if, your criticism was valid, it wouldn't matter in the slightest. |
| Date | 00:23:06, June 20, 2008 CET |
From | TSDRP | To | Debating the Emergency Election: In response to the coup de tat | | Message | OOC: No it is not an oft peddled myth. I am a British Citizen, and live in England.
A republic is a government where elected representatives legislate. It is often called an indirect democracy. "Republicanism" in the context of UK is support of such a government (without any exceptions such as a monarch).
If I supported the abolition of the monarchy to be replaced with an eternal dictator, I would not be a republican |
| Date | 02:26:22, June 20, 2008 CET |
From | Family and Tradition Party (disbanded) | To | Debating the Emergency Election: In response to the coup de tat | | Message | Why do so many parties support a Republic?
If anything, in most Republics, despite what people would like to believe, power is often concentrated more into the hands of one person, albeit an elected one, where in most constitutional monarchies, political authority is shared between Queen\King, Prime Minister, and Governor General, ensuring that the Prime Minister is kept in check at all times.
Granted, the Queen\King has immense power and is unelected. But they are usually very benevolent, and never really use the full extent of the power - LEAST of all for corrupt purposes.
In fact, in constitutional monarchies, the Kings or Queens of today rarely, if ever, excercise any political authority at all - the vast majority of that is left to the Prime Minister.
In this regard, Republics are, if anything, closer to dictatorships than the constitutional monarchies of today. If nothing else, why can't parties support a monarchy for its symbollic and historical value? Monarchy is entrenched in Trigunia's proud heritage. His Royal Majesty isn't abusing his powers, nor will he ever - he is a benevolent and great leader. We do not know where this hatred for the monarchy has come from. |
| Date | 03:23:27, June 20, 2008 CET |
From | Kommunisticheskiy Komitet Rabochih | To | Debating the Emergency Election: In response to the coup de tat | | Message | We oppose monarchy, for the most part, because the current monarch has a stupid name. The stupid name ruins the realism of the game, makes Trigunia a laughing stock in the eyes of players who do take this game seriously, and, to be quite honest, is not applicable in the real world. I have never met a person with the surname Waffles, for quite good reason; such a person would be a complete joke, and would most likely change their name or face a lifetime of scorn and derision. Harry I. Waffles.....ridiculous.... |
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Seats |
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| no | Total Seats: 83 |
| abstain | Total Seats: 30 |
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