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Bill: SIP.2597.003a Civilian Police Training Guidelines (Detail)
Details
Submitted by[?]: Sekowan Independent Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2599
Description[?]:
| Legislation: http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=202186 List of Police Forces: http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=157710 Article 1) A) All PSS1 (General Police) police officers will be required to train in the use of lethal firearms before being issued said lethal weapons. ...i) Training shall be recognized when the officer is capable of scoring multiple consecutive hits on a target, in areas that would wound (but likely not kill) a fleeing suspect. ...ii) Other PSS units (2-10) are specialized to a field, and are subject to their own requirements, however ...iii) Special units cannot overrule the requirements to carry a lethal weapon. Article 2) A) The following police forces in Sekowo must comply with this training by the end of year 2602. ...i) List of Police Forces required to train for lethal weapons. .....ia) PSS1 (Basic Police) .....ib) PSS2 (SWAT) .....ic) PSS5 (Domestic Terrorism Prevention) .....id) PSS6 (Military Crimes) .....ie) PSS8 (Security Service) .....if) PSS9 (Special Crimes Prevention Force) ...ii) Exempted from this are non-violent police forces, to be listed below. These forces are not required to be trained in lethal weapons, though shall not carry lethal weapons without the optional training. ...iii) List of Police Forces not required to train for lethal weapons. .....iiia) PSS3 (Bomb and Dangerous Material Disposal Squad) .....iiib) PSS4 (Immigration) .....iiic) PSS7 (Cyber Crimes) .....iiid) PSS10 (Government Oversight) Article 3) A) All new police officers in Sekowo will undergo this additional weapons training as part of their initial training. B) Officers who receive this additional training will be certified in the use of lethal weapons for a period of five (5) years. ...i) This certification is specific to a type of weapon, ie: small arms, rifles, shotguns |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 18:58:15, June 27, 2008 CET | From | Sekowan Independent Party | To | Debating the SIP.2597.003a Civilian Police Training Guidelines (Detail) |
| Message | Open for additions/suggestions. |
| Date | 20:15:33, June 27, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the SIP.2597.003a Civilian Police Training Guidelines (Detail) |
| Message | OOC: I'll write something up later, but you should check out the Public Security Section set-up, since they all have different roles, Section 1 being the general police. http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=157710 |
| Date | 20:30:25, June 27, 2008 CET | From | Sekowan Independent Party | To | Debating the SIP.2597.003a Civilian Police Training Guidelines (Detail) |
| Message | OOC: I hadn't noticed that, and I like the divisions and special divisions. I slightly adjusted the bill so that all officers that serve on the streets (IE: non-desk jobs) are required to keep their certification current. Governmental Oversight, for instance, probably wouldn't need to draw weapons. At least, I don't think any of you are going to need to have Sekowo cops bust down your door, I know I won't ;) |
| Date | 20:42:12, June 27, 2008 CET | From | Sekowan Independent Party | To | Debating the SIP.2597.003a Civilian Police Training Guidelines (Detail) |
| Message | The bill is updated. I specified (based on your link) what forces must train, and what forces are trained voluntarily. Essentially, forces that are more likely to encounter violent opposition must train in lethal weapons, since they are very likely to need to use them. Adding the link to the bill, also. As before, suggestions/opinions/comments welcome, to perfect the bill a bit. |
| Date | 21:01:48, June 27, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the SIP.2597.003a Civilian Police Training Guidelines (Detail) |
| Message | Since normal police can only use non-lethal weapons, I'm not sure that they all need to be trained in lethal weapons. The ones that would would be; -Section 2 -Section 5 -Section 8 -Section 9 As for government oversight, well they'd probably just get Section 9 to help if they needed weapons. Oh, and Section 9 is based on Public Security Section 9 form the anime Ghost in the Shell to give you an idea of what ti does. |
| Date | 01:50:38, June 28, 2008 CET | From | Anti-Federalists of Free Sekowo | To | Debating the SIP.2597.003a Civilian Police Training Guidelines (Detail) |
| Message | OOC: DSP, are you sure we shouldn't really work on making sure that all people in Section 8 are fully able to prevent Cyber crime by blowing a CPU to bits with a 12 gauge? ;) |
| Date | 01:51:29, June 28, 2008 CET | From | Anti-Federalists of Free Sekowo | To | Debating the SIP.2597.003a Civilian Police Training Guidelines (Detail) |
| Message | OOC: Section 7. Arg. |
| Date | 03:03:36, June 28, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the SIP.2597.003a Civilian Police Training Guidelines (Detail) |
| Message | OOC: While that would be entertaining, hacking and counter operations are more efficient. |
| Date | 03:14:14, June 28, 2008 CET | From | Normand Pluralist Party | To | Debating the SIP.2597.003a Civilian Police Training Guidelines (Detail) |
| Message | We feel that government oversight officers should be armed. Remember: Our senators can come to work fully armed legally in Sekowo. We support, and we'd support more the more of the units that are required to receive this training. |
| Date | 03:34:05, June 28, 2008 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the SIP.2597.003a Civilian Police Training Guidelines (Detail) |
| Message | Hm, perhaps we should make some law that says that firearms are'nt allowed on public property IE government buildings, schools and parks. |
| Date | 04:50:00, June 28, 2008 CET | From | Sekowan Independent Party | To | Debating the SIP.2597.003a Civilian Police Training Guidelines (Detail) |
| Message | I would fully support that government buildings (hospitals, schools), should have limited access to those with firearms. I don't see a problem with carrying weapons in most cases, but concealing a weapon in such an area, now that we disagree with. Back on task though. Common police are required to train for lethal weapons, that was most of the idea. That way we don't have police forces just firing blindly, not having the skill to drop a fleeing suspect cleanly. Without training, we could have incidents where officers wound nearby civilians, or cause fatal injury, etc... Training reduces the risk of that. |
| Date | 05:10:00, June 28, 2008 CET | From | Revolutionary State Socialist Party | To | Debating the SIP.2597.003a Civilian Police Training Guidelines (Detail) |
| Message | OOC: While I dislike the actual law, all this detail stuff is very well thought out. I'm glad to see the old bills being called up for reference. |
| Date | 05:10:36, June 28, 2008 CET | From | Revolutionary State Socialist Party | To | Debating the SIP.2597.003a Civilian Police Training Guidelines (Detail) |
| Message | OOC: I mean I dislike the actual IC bill that was before this, just so there is no confusion. |
| Date | 05:21:54, June 28, 2008 CET | From | Sekowan Independent Party | To | Debating the SIP.2597.003a Civilian Police Training Guidelines (Detail) |
| Message | OOC: You're fine, and I understand. I actually was discussing with NPP last night about how terrible the rigid wording makes this law feel. What I intended was to have the law "all police officers must be trained in the use of lethal weapons", and this was really the only way to say it other than "giv teh polise gunz harhar!" :P |
| Date | 08:10:20, June 28, 2008 CET | From | Sekowan Independent Party | To | Debating the SIP.2597.003a Civilian Police Training Guidelines (Detail) |
| Message | OOC: Moving this to vote. BTW IMF, you can thank Iori/DSP for the old bill. He sent me a message linking me up with that topic once he noticed I was going to go into detail with this one. And, actually, it really helped me out because it more clearly defines the specific training required for roles in the force. Depending on if my current RPGs keep moving at a snail's pace, I may vent all my RP frustrations out on you guys.. lol. |
| Date | 17:13:08, June 28, 2008 CET | From | Revolutionary State Socialist Party | To | Debating the SIP.2597.003a Civilian Police Training Guidelines (Detail) |
| Message | OOC: Yeah I still remember when we were all working out that bill. It was my job to come up with a bunch of extra stuff so we could get to 10 sections lol. |
| Date | 17:53:50, June 28, 2008 CET | From | Anti-Federalists of Free Sekowo | To | Debating the SIP.2597.003a Civilian Police Training Guidelines (Detail) |
| Message | OOC: Wow. That's funny. |
| Date | 18:19:32, June 28, 2008 CET | From | Revolutionary State Socialist Party | To | Debating the SIP.2597.003a Civilian Police Training Guidelines (Detail) |
| Message | OOC: Well, DSP wanted the special section to be section 9, after the anime he got the idea from, then I thought 10 would be a nice round number, adn whatever the scandle made us need government oversight. (should have remembered this when that last one came up lol) Also, you wouldn't believe the trouble we had with getting the cyber crimes section approved. |
| Date | 18:35:39, June 28, 2008 CET | From | Anti-Federalists of Free Sekowo | To | Debating the SIP.2597.003a Civilian Police Training Guidelines (Detail) |
| Message | OOC: That's really odd. Maybe the trouble was a belief that it should be military. I.E. the Air Force in the U.S. works online. I dunno. |
| Date | 19:09:48, June 28, 2008 CET | From | Revolutionary State Socialist Party | To | Debating the SIP.2597.003a Civilian Police Training Guidelines (Detail) |
| Message | OOC: At the time, we had a lot more opposition to even having laws about the internet. |
| Date | 20:39:12, June 28, 2008 CET | From | Anti-Federalists of Free Sekowo | To | Debating the SIP.2597.003a Civilian Police Training Guidelines (Detail) |
| Message | Ah. I see. That would explain it. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 535 | ||||||
| no | Total Seats: 0 | ||||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 65 |
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