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Bill: New Baltusia-Tukarali Alliance
Details
Submitted by[?]: Rightist Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2122
Description[?]:
| Articles of the Treaty: 0) Passage of a bill with the Treaty terms shall be deemed a ratification of said Treaty. Amendments may be proposed and will be ratified if both nations pass a bill to the effect of the amendment. section 1: Amendment procedures for adding a new clause or admitting new members to the Treaty. If Baltusia is successful in passing this treaty in other nations, we are not bound to the treaty with that nation. 1) Free trade shall be promoted from henceforth between signatory nations section 1: Strives for a free trade zone. It does not mean one is implemented immediately but that signatory shall work towards it. section 2: This is also not mutually exclusive with other agreements, such as the Seleya Free Trade Zone. 2) Signatory nations shall never attack one another. Signatory nations shall respect the soveriegnty of their fellow nation's military. section 1: Straight forward section 2: The latter part is so parties try not to pressure nations into disarming or rearming, as the case may be, as they no longer fear attack. 3) Citizens may enjoy free travel between the borders of signatory nations. However, reasonable limits may be imposed on immigration. *Note* This needs work. It should read so that it gives the impression that borders are open without sacrificing the control of the host nation 4) With the hosting Head of Government's permission, representatives of political parties may engage in free debate in the legislature of signatory nations section 1: Straight forward. 5) Signatory may engage in free information exchange. section 1: This means that publicly funded (eg. University Research) research is shared so that we can coordinate instead of competing. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 18:21:31, September 25, 2005 CET | From | Inactive | To | Debating the New Baltusia-Tukarali Alliance |
| Message | Support. On ARtcile 4, we would want their input, but NO voting powers. |
| Date | 18:21:41, September 25, 2005 CET | From | Inactive | To | Debating the New Baltusia-Tukarali Alliance |
| Message | Basicly, we support completely. |
| Date | 20:19:30, September 25, 2005 CET | From | Patriot Party | To | Debating the New Baltusia-Tukarali Alliance |
| Message | Since they can only vote in there own nation, we have no opposition to this new alliance. |
| Date | 22:48:41, September 26, 2005 CET | From | Social Dynamist Party | To | Debating the New Baltusia-Tukarali Alliance |
| Message | Whose are the notes? Is this text entirely of Baltusian authorship? There should also be failsafe clauses - i.e. if one signatory attacks another, the offender should forfeit protection from other signatories as well. How are talks going on the (Ocean 1) Trade Federation, by the way? The non-aggression considerations discussed there might demonstrate the point we're trying to make more clearly. |
| Date | 23:46:35, September 26, 2005 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the New Baltusia-Tukarali Alliance |
| Message | This is only a rough draft SDP. We can alter it and I can submit the changes to Baltusia and vice versa. |
| Date | 02:54:47, September 27, 2005 CET | From |  Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the New Baltusia-Tukarali Alliance |
| Message | "Whose are the notes? Is this text entirely of Baltusian authorship?" Mine and yes. However, the bits next to the numbers only are the official text of the treaty. The rest was meant to explain it. |
| Date | 01:21:48, September 29, 2005 CET | From | Social Dynamist Party | To | Debating the New Baltusia-Tukarali Alliance |
| Message | "If Baltusia is successful in passing this treaty in other nations, we are not bound to the treaty with that nation." Wait - that sounds like you're making a lot of rather one-sided treaties. Could the LibLibs clarify, please? "1) Free trade shall be promoted from henceforth between signatory nations" We're worried that this will be an excuse for free trade to precede fairness in trade. We prefer the terms of the existing wording (as of Feb 2089) "2) Signatory nations shall never attack one another. Signatory nations shall respect the soveriegnty of their fellow nation's military." As above - failsafe clauses would be nice. "3) Citizens may enjoy free travel between the borders of signatory nations. However, reasonable limits may be imposed on immigration." Looks good enough as a statement of intention. A statement of policy would need more specifcs as to limits on privacy invasion and conditions for refusal of admission. "4) With the hosting Head of Government's permission, representatives of political parties may engage in free debate in the legislature of signatory nations" Already in the existing treaty (which we support). "5) Signatory may engage in free information exchange. section 1: This means that publicly funded (eg. University Research) research is shared so that we can coordinate instead of competing." Theoretically, yes, although be aware this would benefit countries with an entirely privatised university system - they would get the products of research free, whereas their universities would be able to charge the other way. |
| Date | 02:30:54, September 29, 2005 CET | From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the New Baltusia-Tukarali Alliance |
| Message | "Wait - that sounds like you're making a lot of rather one-sided treaties. Could the LibLibs clarify, please?" Well Valruzia, Lodamun, Gaduridos and Kalistan have all signed similar, independent agreements with Baltusia. "We're worried that this will be an excuse for free trade to precede fairness in trade. We prefer the terms of the existing wording (as of Feb 2089)" I'd be ok with that alteration. However, fair trade is in the eye of the beholder. "As above - failsafe clauses would be nice." I dont see the problem. "Looks good enough as a statement of intention." That's all its meant to be. "Theoretically, yes, although be aware this would benefit countries with an entirely privatised university system - they would get the products of research free, whereas their universities would be able to charge the other way." There is strictly an exchange of publicly-funded information and so privately-funded information (regardless of whether it is discovered in a corporate lab or a private university) would not be bound by this. If there's no public universities, etc, then there is no information exchange. |
| Date | 02:46:12, October 01, 2005 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the New Baltusia-Tukarali Alliance |
| Message | Well SDP? |
| Date | 05:17:15, October 07, 2005 CET | From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the New Baltusia-Tukarali Alliance |
| Message | I'm guessing there's no opposition then? |
| Date | 10:05:13, October 07, 2005 CET | From | Social Dynamist Party | To | Debating the New Baltusia-Tukarali Alliance |
| Message | (sorry - connection went down) We will oppose. We are happy with our existing treaty. |
| Date | 21:07:30, October 07, 2005 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the New Baltusia-Tukarali Alliance |
| Message | We actually support this treaty and we shall go ahead and submit it since there's seems to be little opposition to it. |
| Date | 22:03:32, October 07, 2005 CET | From | Inactive | To | Debating the New Baltusia-Tukarali Alliance |
| Message | As forieghn minister, we support. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 168 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 106 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 25 |
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