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Bill: The Civil Liberties Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: The Green Manalishi Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2602
Description[?]:
| In return for their trust, the state must give the people these most basic of liberties. We fail to see how these are anything other than victimless forms of self-expression. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government position in respect to crossdressing policy.
Old value:: Crossdressing is prohibited by the state.
Current: Crossdressing is allowed.
Proposed: Crossdressing is allowed.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy on public nudity.
Old value:: Public nudity is illegal, but private nudist colonies and beaches are permitted.
Current: Public nudity laws are left to local governments.
Proposed: There are no laws with regards to public nudity, it is allowed.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 01:56:17, July 03, 2008 CET | From | Republican Patriciate Coalition | To | Debating the The Civil Liberties Act |
| Message | No, crossdressing male to female should be prohibited. Public nudity can be an affront to a younger audience |
| Date | 03:00:59, July 03, 2008 CET | From | Conservative Party | To | Debating the The Civil Liberties Act |
| Message | Not incredibly opposed. But would not classify these as "basic liberties." |
| Date | 10:42:14, July 03, 2008 CET | From | The Green Manalishi Party | To | Debating the The Civil Liberties Act |
| Message | RPC: It's potential to be an 'affront' is surely only born out of the perverse restrictions on self-expression that we currently have in place. It is necessary to change that culture of restriction and your predicted public perception of such things will shift with the change anyway. CP: Surely the right to present one's body as one chooses is a basic liberty? (as long as it adheres to other legislation in areas such as advertising and the use of the national flag) (btw: is there an agreed time limit on keeping bills up for debate here? Jelbania had one, but I can't remember whether it was a legislative/constitutional element or a 'gentleman's agreement' ?) |
| Date | 12:21:41, July 03, 2008 CET | From | Republican Patriciate Coalition | To | Debating the The Civil Liberties Act |
| Message | Nudity is not a form of self expression, it is a form of obscenity. At present our laws are against barring of sexual organs, something which we can do without children seeing. Nudity should be restricted to those places where such affronts can be avoided. Basic liberties are those such as life and freedom of thought. Another freedom is freedom from obscenity, something this law will be breaking. See, making up basic freedoms works both ways! (No, keep it as long as you feel is necessary, but if it stays up without any debate people tend to get irritated) |
| Date | 20:25:51, July 03, 2008 CET | From | The Green Manalishi Party | To | Debating the The Civil Liberties Act |
| Message | We are interested in the RPC's opinion of 'the worst potential outcome' of children being exposed to viewing sexual organs? We would also add that these organs are not purely 'sexual' and that the children are already 'exposed' to viewing their own anyway. |
| Date | 00:14:04, July 04, 2008 CET | From | Republican Patriciate Coalition | To | Debating the The Civil Liberties Act |
| Message | Actually yes, they are. Those organs are purely designed for that purpose. That in males two purposes are combined is irrelevant. The worst potential outcomes: Higher resulting pedophilia, premature sexual knowledge leading to young pregnancies/loss of innocence/heightened dangerous curiosity. |
| Date | 00:26:06, July 04, 2008 CET | From | The Green Manalishi Party | To | Debating the The Civil Liberties Act |
| Message | We don't see urinating and breast feeding (if that area of the body was included in your initial reference) as sexual processes. We feel that the later claims are at best unsubstatiated and at worst fallacious. Statistics have shown a correlation between low levels of sexual assault, teenage pregnancies etc. and natural exposure to nudity, information on the subject and a liberal approach to the area in general in countries where the latter is the reality an/or law. |
| Date | 01:00:35, July 04, 2008 CET | From | Republican Patriciate Coalition | To | Debating the The Civil Liberties Act |
| Message | A liberal approach is quite different from regular barring of genitals to children and the general populace. Urinating should not be carried out in public as is. Breast feeding is a quite different matter, as it requires instant response and is simply a feeding process. However, we understand those who would prefer it not to be carried out in the middle of a crowded street. |
| Date | 12:42:16, July 04, 2008 CET | From | The Green Manalishi Party | To | Debating the The Civil Liberties Act |
| Message | Our references to urinating and breast feeding were solely aimed at highlighting the non-sexual functions of those body parts. |
| Date | 02:00:03, July 05, 2008 CET | From | Plowshare Collective | To | Debating the The Civil Liberties Act |
| Message | you'll receive our vote only after the "Protection from Religion Act" is dropped. |
| Date | 03:01:09, July 06, 2008 CET | From | Enlightened Cosmic Brotherhood | To | Debating the The Civil Liberties Act |
| Message | Right on! |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes | Total Seats: 168 | ||
| no | Total Seats: 406 | ||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 141 |
| Random fact: Alduria, Rildanor and Lourenne all have Canrilaise (French) cultures. |
| Random quote: "The difference between a republic and a people's republic is a lot like the difference between a jacket and a straightjacket." - Ronald Reagan |