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Bill: The Arms Sales Act of 2601
Details
Submitted by[?]: Sociale Democratische Partij
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 2602
Description[?]:
| The unrestricted sales of arms to any nation or entity has not done us good. These weapons because of their unchecked destinations can land right into the hands of our enemies or advesaries. Let us take measures to prevent that this never happens. Capitalism will not regulate itself here. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the export of weapons to other nations.
Old value:: The government allows all arms to be exported freely.
Current: The government allows arms to be sold only to close allies.
Proposed: The government must approve all arms sales on a case by case basis.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 09:14:49, July 04, 2008 CET | From | Liberale Partij (L) | To | Debating the The Arms Sales Act of 2601 |
| Message | We have adversaries? ~The Foreign Affairs minister Ack!!! We will go broke like this! ~ An arms salesman, employing 100.000 people in a rifle factory |
| Date | 22:22:51, July 04, 2008 CET | From | Sociale Democratische Partij | To | Debating the The Arms Sales Act of 2601 |
| Message | You don't put what's right ahead. That is the problem with this "Liberal Party". They rather have us be attacked with our own weapons so THEY can make some money. Typical LPL. Incompetent, Authorotarian, and serving the interests of money rather than the nation itself. |
| Date | 22:25:26, July 04, 2008 CET | From | Liberale Partij (L) | To | Debating the The Arms Sales Act of 2601 |
| Message | The only enemies I can see are domestic: DNP militias bent on driving human life from our cities. |
| Date | 22:29:20, July 04, 2008 CET | From | Sociale Democratische Partij | To | Debating the The Arms Sales Act of 2601 |
| Message | Then you must be blind, you don't think about the long term. The effect of the future. Typical classical liberal thinking. |
| Date | 22:36:01, July 04, 2008 CET | From | Liberale Partij (L) | To | Debating the The Arms Sales Act of 2601 |
| Message | OOC <-- actually a social liberal IC: There are actually good arguments against the fearmongering argument: 1) The various coalition and national unity governments headed by us have pursued policies of peace. During our term we've signed international agreements, recognised the neutrality of any nation that wished for it, and generally maintained a cordial stance in world affairs. Both the old Union and Confederate enmities are gone now, thirty years later. We are a free and independent nation with nothing to fear. 2) The argument that our weapons would be somehow uniquely dangerous is flawed. Every self-respecting nation has a weapons industry, and we have no special advantage. Our military-industrial complex is private and completely separate from the government anyway. Allowing these businesses to export in times of peace means that they are ready for large domestic orders in times of war. |
| Date | 01:24:14, July 05, 2008 CET | From | Sociale Democratische Partij | To | Debating the The Arms Sales Act of 2601 |
| Message | That still has nothing to do with the subject of our weapons falling into the hands of our enemies. |
| Date | 09:58:41, July 05, 2008 CET | From | Liberale Partij (L) | To | Debating the The Arms Sales Act of 2601 |
| Message | Not "falling into the hands of"... but "sold"! OOC: the Dutch independence war was partially financed by selling weapons to the Spanish for example. :P |
| Date | 20:16:58, July 05, 2008 CET | From | Sociale Democratische Partij | To | Debating the The Arms Sales Act of 2601 |
| Message | OOC: I am a history major and the Dutch War of Independence was fought against Spain and I have never heard that. |
| Date | 20:24:40, July 05, 2008 CET | From | Liberale Partij (L) | To | Debating the The Arms Sales Act of 2601 |
| Message | OOC I know. I'm Dutch and only study public admin, but this is something I read a while ago. The Dutch apparently *did* sell weapons to their own enemies. |
| Date | 00:46:21, July 06, 2008 CET | From | Sociale Democratische Partij | To | Debating the The Arms Sales Act of 2601 |
| Message | Well what this does is it gives perhaps not enemies but gives guerrila groups in different nations the way to fight against a government that is rightfully in place. That is not fair to that nation that those weapons are traced back to here. That can get us into trouble. What we don't need is to be lead into conflict because of our government's lack of willing to even track where those weapons are going. They can go to approved nations and the capitalists can still make their money. But we cannot have those weapons going to the wrong places where they shouldn't go. |
| Date | 00:49:11, July 06, 2008 CET | From | Liberale Partij (L) | To | Debating the The Arms Sales Act of 2601 |
| Message | We would be able to vote for a tracking system on weapons. Having a minister approve each and every sale goes too far though, in our opinion. |
| Date | 04:07:38, July 06, 2008 CET | From | Sociale Democratische Partij | To | Debating the The Arms Sales Act of 2601 |
| Message | There would be another department for that, whose job it is to monitor the weapons. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 73 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 90 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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