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Bill: Representation addition act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Malivia Democratic Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 2118
Description[?]:
| The intent of this is to increase the number of seats available in the assembly, and to provide for an odd number total in case of ties. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The total number of seats in the legislative assembly. Should be between 75 and 750.
Old value:: 100
Current: 470
Proposed: 299
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 02:18:47, September 26, 2005 CET | From | Malivia Democratic Party | To | Debating the Representation addition act |
| Message | Self Explanatory..intent is to increase the number of seats for more representation of the 50 million + people. |
| Date | 02:49:18, September 26, 2005 CET | From | Social Republican Party | To | Debating the Representation addition act |
| Message | We have the second worst number of reps per person. |
| Date | 16:08:08, September 26, 2005 CET | From |  Protectorate Party | To | Debating the Representation addition act |
| Message | against a large Assembly promotes more overhead, less able to reach a decision and encourages everyone to expect everything from te national governement. |
| Date | 01:50:50, September 27, 2005 CET | From | LibCom Party | To | Debating the Representation addition act |
| Message | We support. PP's arguments are contradictory: If the Assembly is less able to reach a decision, how are people encouraged to expect everything from the national government? |
| Date | 02:51:08, September 27, 2005 CET | From | Protectorate Party | To | Debating the Representation addition act |
| Message | what they expect and what they get need not be the same. The expect their assembly member to support their interests because they know him/her and the rep is elected by a smaller area. Thus they feel they are owed something for getting him/her elected. They get a system where nothing can get done without being inflated to such levels to get this pork in, and the real work is lost to the pandering to the locals. As well responsibilty is diminished, with hundreds of assembly members who votes which way is less important and therefore blame/praise is less likely to fall on any one's shoulders. Debate time increases, so bills take longer to pass, resulting in delays in getting the help to those who need it. The result is that a system where nothing useful is done, the budget explodes, and no one is to blame. |
| Date | 04:21:44, September 27, 2005 CET | From | Social Republican Party | To | Debating the Representation addition act |
| Message | So? why not just have one member, becuase that way, noone would know him, and it would be perfectly efficent? |
| Date | 14:23:00, September 27, 2005 CET | From | Malivia Democratic Party | To | Debating the Representation addition act |
| Message | I'd like to see the proof that increasing the assembly size would lead to an inefficient system. Perhaps the PP may point to various other nations with larger.. and smaller.. assembly sizes and show us in which ways the smaller ones are more efficient than the larger ones? And in response to this: "The expect their assembly member to support their interests because they know him/her and the rep is elected by a smaller area. Thus they feel they are owed something for getting him/her elected." Yes. They expect.. and have the right to expect.. their assemblyperson to represent their interests. This is the case regardless of size of the district. That is the entire purpose of having elections in the first place, so the people may decide, through their representation. Keeping the number low prevents them from being heard as well as they could through larger numbers. |
| Date | 15:00:25, September 27, 2005 CET | From | Malivia Democratic Party | To | Debating the Representation addition act |
| Message | I would like to point out quickly that out of 45 nations, ours is the 17th most populous, yet we are the second least representative, and we do not see any evidence that Malavias type of government is any more or less efficient than nations with a higher assembly size. |
| Date | 02:29:47, September 28, 2005 CET | From | Protectorate Party | To | Debating the Representation addition act |
| Message | Yes the Asembly represents the people, but they are not there to hand out personal favors to their constituents. By having a relatively high voter to assembyperson ratio we help prevent this kind of influence by requiring a person to appeal to a wide range of voters to be elected. Furthermore our nation must govern the millions of Malivian citizens and work toward what is best for all of them, not just their local population. When you get a Assembly person who only represents a small area this aspect is lost. Local governements are there to handle local issues, and the Assembly member can work with local representatives to get details of particular issues. The Assembly is there to govern the nation. As for efficiency any management book will clearly demonstrate that a larger group takes longer to come to a decision then a smaller group. Yes the people need a voice, they get it at the local, province and federal levels. Each is there to represent different needs and therefore a representative should cover an ever increasing area of effect. The whole purpose of having an elected representative is to have a limited number of people discussing the issues to allow them to become well informed on the issue and make intelligent decisions. Reducing it to one person would speed decision making process but would have the effect of concentrating all the power in one pair of hands with no way to control them. But that person would have full responsibility for the actions of the government and would be held accountable every election on the results of their term. Not saying we support this for we feel the drawbacks of having such tyranny outweigh the benefits, but just showing their are advantages to such a system, this is the reason it is used in the military. |
| Date | 17:14:14, September 28, 2005 CET | From | Malivia Democratic Party | To | Debating the Representation addition act |
| Message | We reiterate this question posed to the PP. "Perhaps the PP may point to various other nations with larger.. and smaller.. assembly sizes and show us in which ways the smaller ones are more efficient than the larger ones?" |
| Date | 01:28:06, September 29, 2005 CET | From | LibCom Party | To | Debating the Representation addition act |
| Message | Speed of decision making doesn't necessarily equate to efficiency. A larger Assembly may take longer to reach a decision, but it's more likely to be the right decision. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 40 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 60 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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