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Bill: request from Egelion
Details
Submitted by[?]: Lodamun Libertarian Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2607
Description[?]:
| Egelon has been attacked, and the HoS has requested we invoke NATOs article 4, and come to there aid. As promised I will but this up for a vote, and now its up to this parliament to decide our response to this request. Since this would be a decleration of war it will need support from 2/3 of the parliament in additon to the president, prime minster, and minister of defence to pass. Signed President James Mattson OOC: Here is the decleration of war against them http://www.takeforum.com/particracy/viewtopic.php?t=10228&mforum=particracy |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 03:05:25, July 17, 2008 CET | From | Republican Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the request from Egelion |
| Message | I think the NATO treaty is quite simple, we are to help our comrades. I do not think a neutrality treaty is good enough, if we help them, they just simply can't back out if we need help. |
| Date | 16:22:18, July 17, 2008 CET | From | Republican Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the request from Egelion |
| Message | If We are not going to be using the NATO treaty, we can just withdraw from it. There's no need for a NATO treaty if they don't give us help or if we don't help them. |
| Date | 16:37:46, July 17, 2008 CET | From | Lodamun Republican Party | To | Debating the request from Egelion |
| Message | The Only reason I vote no is becuase its been said that Egelion didn't offer help when we needed it. I feel you Treat as you are Treated. |
| Date | 18:51:25, July 17, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the request from Egelion |
| Message | We agree with LRP. PP, where do you get the idea that they can't back out? |
| Date | 18:52:53, July 17, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the request from Egelion |
| Message | Before we even go further, we would like to know what are the opinions of the Head of State, Head of Government, and Minister of Defense. There would be no point in voting here if one on them disagrees. |
| Date | 18:58:36, July 17, 2008 CET | From | Republican Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the request from Egelion |
| Message | Well, LP, We feel we can just withdraw from the treaty if this do not pass. There is no point of having a NATO treaty if nobody follows it. |
| Date | 21:33:54, July 17, 2008 CET | From | Working Families Party | To | Debating the request from Egelion |
| Message | Minister of Justice Gaines has said that it would be a violation of international law to remain a signatory of the NATO treaty yet refuse to comply. We must either abide by it, or abrogate it. |
| Date | 21:41:10, July 17, 2008 CET | From | Working Families Party | To | Debating the request from Egelion |
| Message | Our party leader has just been notified that the Axis has taken the side of Egelion in its war with the KCCP. We cannot fight alongside members of the Axis. As such, we cannot vote for this war at this time. If other parties so wish, we are willing to work towards an alliance independent of both Communist and Axis forces -- and alliance which respects the basic rights of man and holds as its ideals Democracy and Liberty. |
| Date | 21:51:21, July 17, 2008 CET | From | Republican Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the request from Egelion |
| Message | Good luck Prime Minister, Sean Martinson. |
| Date | 00:04:03, July 18, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the request from Egelion |
| Message | I am afraid the Minister of Justice is flat out wrong. Maybe another good read of the article will help. ARTICLE 4: NATO is a defensive alliance which adheres to the principles of collective security. Therefore any hostile act performed upon a member shall be taken as having been performed upon all signatories. To this end, should any hostile act occur upon a member, all members shall assist the signatory or signatories so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other members, such action as members deem necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security, sovereignty and integrity of all member states. This article shall be taken to have been automatically invoked when any said hostile act occurs. "such action as members deem necessary" That clearly means that we have the choice of helping or not. Basically doing whatever we think is necessary. Kate Williams |
| Date | 00:16:10, July 18, 2008 CET | From | Republican Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the request from Egelion |
| Message | That is why I would support helping these people. It is the right thing to do, I will call for an immediate withdrawal from the NATO treaty if we are not going to respond. Prime Minister Sean Martinson. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 25 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 74 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 51 |
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