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Bill: Private Education Bill
Details
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 2610
Description[?]:
| We propose increasing the role of private education in the United Republics. Naturally the government will ensure that all can go to school by covering the costs for those who cannot afford it themselves. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Higher education institutions.
Old value:: The government maintains a system of universities, vocational schools, and colleges nationwide.
Current: The government maintains a system of universities, vocational schools, and colleges nationwide.
Proposed: The government does not maintain any forms of higher education.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The regulation of higher education.
Old value:: The government allows private higher education but regulates it to meet nationally set standards.
Current: The government allows private higher education but regulates it to meet nationally set standards.
Proposed: The government does not fund any public higher education institutions, permitting only private higher education institutions to exist.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Pre-school education.
Old value:: The government maintains a system of free publically owned nurseries alongside heavily regulated private establishments.
Current: The government maintains a system of free publically owned nursery and pre-school educational centres.
Proposed: Pre-school education is private, but the government covers the schoolcosts of poor families.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change The education system.
Old value:: There is a free public education system alongside private schools.
Current: There is a free public education system and a small number of private schools, which are heavily regulated to ensure they teach adequate skills and information.
Proposed: Education is private, but the government issues vouchers to pay for the schooling of disadvantaged children.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 23:23:43, July 21, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Private Education Bill |
| Message | So much of the so called "choice" and the LLP is voting for taking choice away from the people. Look at article 2: "The government does not fund any public higher education institutions, permitting only private higher education institutions to exist." Does that sound like choice? We just found out that the LLP's so called "choice" propaganda is simply a lie and only used at their convenience. Let the citizens of Lodamun see your true face, the mask is finally off. Let the citizens know that the LLP is a party of LIARS. |
| Date | 19:55:16, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Democrats | To | Debating the Private Education Bill |
| Message | Choice is still provided. However the options are reduced by one, as the government will no longer provide facilities. There are still a variety of choices available in the private sector, and low and behold, the government will still be offering to provide student loans that will be paid back when the student earns a certain amount of money. |
| Date | 20:11:53, July 22, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Private Education Bill |
| Message | You mean, your choice. The LLP's propagandahas always been "choice betwee public and private." Don;t give me that crap about having choice right now. The private offers the worst quality and of course, they charge more. They don't care about our people, they care about profit-making. By the way, why don't we have an anarchy? It sounds like fun and we are very close to it. |
| Date | 20:15:59, July 22, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Private Education Bill |
| Message | "This will just decrease the education offer in our nation." Sounds familiar LLP? |
| Date | 20:22:27, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Democrats | To | Debating the Private Education Bill |
| Message | There are a whole variety of private options. No doubt charities and religious organisations will establish schools, as will philanthropists, as will traditional private schools, as will profit organisations, and of course homeschooling is still available as an option. Private education is typically far superior to free state education, and of course, the disadvantaged will receive help from the government, and in higher centres of education loans are still provided to students. |
| Date | 21:49:27, July 22, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Private Education Bill |
| Message | Private education is no where near as effective as free public education. Private schools are only worried about profits, nothing else. You are clearly eliminating choice. What if a kid wants to go to a public school and not a private? You are forcing them to go to a private institution. Your ideals are simply old-fashioned and they have been proven to be a disaster. How can you take away public education? Now only is that insane, it is flat out wrong. |
| Date | 22:47:17, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Private Education Bill |
| Message | You cant talk about choice yourself LP, you outright banned private education, providing our people with only 1 choice when it came to education. When it comes to private education you will have lots of school to choose between, so you can pick whatever line of education you want to. No matter what you want to study there will be someone offering it, so I cant see how you get less choice. And for your last example, what if that kid wants to for example be a teacher. Then the kid can pick a education that will teach him exactly what he need. As for your statement that private schools only care about profits, thats a good reason for why they want customers, and in a competative market they will need to provide the best education service to get those customers, so wanting profit is a driving force that will lead those schools to be as good as possible because otherwise you wont send you children there. |
| Date | 22:55:55, July 22, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Private Education Bill |
| Message | You are leminating choice yourself. You are the advocate of choice, not me. What if they want to attend a PUBLIC school? Why eliminate that choice, choice advocate? Or is it that you only cry choice when it is convenient for you? Lower education does not involve career. Why eliminate public schools in the lower education system? Why do you always prove my point? Care is the key word. They do not care about our children, they only care about profits. A school can have the best test results but the worst loving and caring environment. That is what makes students suceed, a loving and caring environment, not a profit making environment. |
| Date | 23:02:47, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Private Education Bill |
| Message | Ok tell me why do you want to go to a public school? I hope you have a better reason that just because its public. The private education will give you a chance to personalize the education you want by letting you personally choose what type of school you want to go to, so if you want to go to school a or b or c, thats your choice. Its not like a public education where you are assigned to school a, and both school a, b and c are forced to teach exactly the same. And you are saying that no private companies care about anyone. Offcourse they do. The employees got families and childrens themself. Alot of companies are run by people who care about what they do and want to make a change, I think your just automaticly thinking of sterotype evil CEO that corrupted with greed. That not everyone, far from it. |
| Date | 23:10:37, July 22, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Private Education Bill |
| Message | There is a simple answer, choice. Don't you like that word? OOC: I don;t know how it works in Norway but in the U.S. you can attend any school you want, public school. IC: In your fantasay world, maybe they care, in the real world, they don't. CEOs only care about profits, nothing else. But again, you live in a fantasy world. |
| Date | 22:58:42, July 23, 2008 CET | From | Democrats | To | Debating the Private Education Bill |
| Message | Right, major corporations have not sudenly taking over education, as has happened historically, charities, faith groups, and small private organisations generally run private schools, not massive corporations with chains if schools. As for private education being less effective than public schools, that seems to be nonsense. No one would ever pay for an inferior service when they can get a better free one, people pay to get something better, its basic economics. Perhaps the LP should read economics 101, haha. ooc: Private schools are pretty much guarenteed to do better than free state schools, and will always send a higher proportion of their students to university, or at least thats what happens in the Anglo-Saxon world. |
| Date | 07:30:33, July 24, 2008 CET | From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Private Education Bill |
| Message | OOC: They send a higher PERCENTAGE of their students to higher education. At least in the U.S., the majority of children go to public school (between 75 to 81%). I don't have the exact number (up to date). Of course they send a higher percentage when they have many, many less students than public education. IC: Well, we are going to see corporations doing that now. Should I thank you for that? "As for private education being less effective than public schools, that seems to be nonsense. No one would ever pay for an inferior service when they can get a better free one, people pay to get something better, its basic economics. Perhaps the LP should read economics 101, haha." People pay what they can afford. If the service is inferior but they have no money for better service, they have no choice but to stick to the inferior service. |
| Date | 22:41:11, July 24, 2008 CET | From | Democrats | To | Debating the Private Education Bill |
| Message | But poor people have their education funded by the government. ooc: Your reasoning is nonsense. So the reason they send a higher proportion of students to university os because they have less students? Er no, its because their students get better qualifications. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes |
Total Seats: 85 | ||
| no |
Total Seats: 60 | ||
| abstain | Total Seats: 5 |
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