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Bill: Free Alduria Resolution, 2609
Details
Submitted by[?]: Aldurian Green Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill proposes the withdrawal from a treaty. It will require half of the legislature to vote in favor[?]. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2610
Description[?]:
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Proposals
Article 1
Withdraw from the The International Monarchist League.
Article 2
Withdraw from the The Axis Agreement.
Article 3
Withdraw from the League of Monarchs.
Article 4
Withdraw from the The Monarchist Alliance.
Article 5
Withdraw from the The Aldurian-Luthori Imperial Bloodline.
Article 6
Withdraw from the The Imperial Constitution of the Aldurian Republic Empire.
Article 7
Withdraw from the Seleyan Union.
Article 8
Withdraw from the Mutual confirmation of the monarchical system.
Article 9
Withdraw from the The Squibble Colonies Agreement.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 01:12:16, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Parti Imperial du Peuple (IA) | To | Debating the Free Alduria Resolution, 2609 |
| Message | Historic treaties, and the Selyean Union, just plain sad. That treaty has nothing in it that harms Alduria. |
| Date | 01:13:13, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Parti Imperial du Peuple (IA) | To | Debating the Free Alduria Resolution, 2609 |
| Message | Bloodline treaty means nothing anyway. |
| Date | 01:17:19, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Parti Imperial du Peuple (IA) | To | Debating the Free Alduria Resolution, 2609 |
| Message | Okay, you can't just get rid of the colonies. i am sorry, they exist wheter you like it or not. They are a part of this nation. Even without the treaty they are still our colonies. |
| Date | 01:31:43, July 22, 2008 CET | From |   Bloc de gauche | To | Debating the Free Alduria Resolution, 2609 |
| Message | Beautiful. Absolutely beautiful. Well done. |
| Date | 03:47:08, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Parti Pour Paix et Progress | To | Debating the Free Alduria Resolution, 2609 |
| Message | Yay the NBM is back. Praise Jesus! |
| Date | 04:25:29, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Saiserist Consortium | To | Debating the Free Alduria Resolution, 2609 |
| Message | The Seleyan Union is dead, anyway. I actually like the idea. It just isn't working. |
| Date | 04:25:47, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Parti Imperial du Peuple (IA) | To | Debating the Free Alduria Resolution, 2609 |
| Message | AT stay the fucken Hell out of our national affairs for the last time. You have no right to be here. |
| Date | 04:42:43, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Parti Imperial du Peuple (IA) | To | Debating the Free Alduria Resolution, 2609 |
| Message | Still you will allow it to end, beacuse it is not good enough. I mean hell, why not try to make it better, insted of just throwing it out. Once the Constitution is out, the Emperor will still be here. All you are doing is ending the HoG elections, which will make it easy for us to rebuild this government later. |
| Date | 04:56:12, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Saiserist Consortium | To | Debating the Free Alduria Resolution, 2609 |
| Message | HoG elections are BS. Nobody else in Terra does them, and not because they are all boring, but because HoG elections are unnecessary, as well as time consuming. |
| Date | 05:00:54, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Parti Imperial du Peuple (IA) | To | Debating the Free Alduria Resolution, 2609 |
| Message | Believe what you want, but ending this Republic Empire will only make it a boring nation. People all over agree that Alduria being a monarchy has been the best thing there for a long time, even bloc said it was fun having an Empire at their door step. Not every nation can be the same, and this nation was one of kind. Now it will be just another boring Republic that does nothing but sit around and vote once every decade or so. |
| Date | 05:02:13, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Saiserist Consortium | To | Debating the Free Alduria Resolution, 2609 |
| Message | That's why you get to leave when it finally happens! Everybody wins. |
| Date | 05:10:44, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Parti Imperial du Peuple (IA) | To | Debating the Free Alduria Resolution, 2609 |
| Message | To bad that unless you vote to get the people decision, you will never have the number of parties to end the monarchy? Unless you want to compromise, but I think that if the second one is the most likely to happen, because you will grow tired of not being able to end the monarchy, and will be forced to come to the table and talk it out. Time is something that is not a concern to us, for we have a monarchy already. Plus that wya the people get to see how much chaos you guys are creating in your attempts to "liberate" a nation that their ancestors built from nothing, from the ashes of the last corrupt Republic. The cycle may just start again, and most likely the Republic part will be short lived, if it even starts at all. Maybe Chaos is the only true form of government that will finally end the constant struggle between our two different views. Like I said, I will either leave after the people’s decision, or will leave when the monarch is truly gone. One is in your hands to possible happen, the other is impossible with just three parties. |
| Date | 05:41:00, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Parti Pour Paix et Progress | To | Debating the Free Alduria Resolution, 2609 |
| Message | Republic Empire. I just love it when you say that- it makes absolutely NO sense. Let's review: 1. People should vote for their government. 2. Your monarchy occupies the HoS position for eternity, passing the position from hemophiliac son to hemophiliac son. In other words, it does not allow the people to vote. Given the morality of 1 and the truth of 2, we, the chosen representatives of the majority of Aldurians, must 3. destroy you and your monarchy. Thank you. |
| Date | 05:44:09, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Parti Pour Paix et Progress | To | Debating the Free Alduria Resolution, 2609 |
| Message | Republic Empire. I just love it when you say that- it makes absolutely NO sense. Let's review: 1. People should vote for their government. 2. Your monarchy occupies the HoS position for eternity, passing the position from hemophiliac son to hemophiliac son. In other words, it does not allow the people to vote. Given the morality of 1 and the truth of 2, we, the chosen representatives of the majority of Aldurians, must 3. destroy you and your monarchy. Thank you. |
| Date | 05:44:11, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Parti Pour Paix et Progress | To | Debating the Free Alduria Resolution, 2609 |
| Message | Republic Empire. I just love it when you say that- it makes absolutely NO sense. Let's review: 1. People should vote for their government. 2. Your monarchy occupies the HoS position for eternity, passing the position from hemophiliac son to hemophiliac son. In other words, it does not allow the people to vote. Given the morality of 1 and the truth of 2, we, the chosen representatives of the majority of Aldurians, must 3. destroy you and your monarchy. Thank you. |
| Date | 05:57:28, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Parti Imperial du Peuple (IA) | To | Debating the Free Alduria Resolution, 2609 |
| Message | You can't win, and we are still winning. You will come to the table evntrually. Although by then, I terms will not be as good as they are now. |
| Date | 06:05:07, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Saiserist Consortium | To | Debating the Free Alduria Resolution, 2609 |
| Message | Oh just shut up, you manipulative, megalomanial fool. You are LOSING, in case you didn't notice. |
| Date | 14:54:38, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Parti Imperial du Peuple (IA) | To | Debating the Free Alduria Resolution, 2609 |
| Message | Yes we are losing, so that is why the monarchy will not be able to be dethrone. Yes that sounds like us losing. Time is on our side, and not yours. |
| Date | 17:01:25, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Saiserist Consortium | To | Debating the Free Alduria Resolution, 2609 |
| Message | "Yes that sounds like us losing" - We just undid the Constitution and every single Monarchist treaty we ever joined. We have the entire cabinet. Look me in the eye sir, and tell me that you are winning this fight." "Time is on our side" - You assume that we will just give up, and you are wrong. |
| Date | 17:04:40, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Goldstein Corporation | To | Debating the Free Alduria Resolution, 2609 |
| Message | »The Parti Pour Paix et Progress offers a rather dogmatic statement to the Imperial Senate. They state that it is an absolutely moral position that "people should vote for their government." They claim this without providing any supporting evidence whatsoever. I would be rather interested in public argumentation over this matter with the PPPP within earshot of the Imperial Senate of Alduria. May it also be noted that, should the morality of this statement be disproved, the pro-republican argument shall be void. May I also point out that I in no way support monarchy, and do not at all endorse the throne of Alduria. In fact, I am against monarchy as well as republics and democracies, but in this case, I see the current Aldurian monarchy as the lesser of two evils, and am disgusted by you electoral swine. I despise republics and democracies anywhere and everywhere because they are morally and rationally wrong institutions, and the arguments in favor have more to do with emotion than reason. However, emotion is not reason, and any action, system, or belief that cannot be substantially supported and founded purely upon reason is plainly and obviously stupid, and is nothing but pure evil. So, I ask the spokesperson of the Parti Pour Paix et Progress: exactly why should people vote for their government, and exactly how is republicanism and/or democracy moral? I challenge you to defend your position, using only reason as your support.« ~Natasha Goldstein (Goldstein Corporation) |
| Date | 20:33:17, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Parti Imperial du Peuple (IA) | To | Debating the Free Alduria Resolution, 2609 |
| Message | I will look you in the eye at amp Teddy and tell you we are winning, beacuse the fact is that even without the constitution or the cabinet, which you control for now, you don't have the votes and never will have the votes to end the monarchy. You will not give up, but you will simply get bored and will finally realize that the ony chnace you have is compromising, otherwise you will never have the votes you need. Thus time is on our side. |
| Date | 20:33:29, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Parti Imperial du Peuple (IA) | To | Debating the Free Alduria Resolution, 2609 |
| Message | camp* |
| Date | 20:59:33, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Aldurian Green Party | To | Debating the Free Alduria Resolution, 2609 |
| Message | This resolution does not get rid of the constitution. It only eliminates your amendment to the constitution. T |
| Date | 21:01:11, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Aldurian Green Party | To | Debating the Free Alduria Resolution, 2609 |
| Message | The constitution is still here and always will be. http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewconstitution.php?nationid=29 |
| Date | 21:11:27, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Parti Imperial du Peuple (IA) | To | Debating the Free Alduria Resolution, 2609 |
| Message | OOC: In all respect, that is the stupidest constitution, for it never changes. Plus it was not passed by anyone; the game uses it as a basic. Now if we could create our own like I did, it would be more realistic. So in all respect, the imperial constitution is the constitution, and that is nothing more than just the outline I sued to write it. In real life nations right their constitution, which is something that we never do. Look at France; it has had tons of different constitutions over the years, and each one from a different Republic and Empire. So to me, there is no constitution any more, because you don't have a government you rule a revolutionary lead hollow shell of the previous government. |
| Date | 21:55:28, July 22, 2008 CET | From | Parti Pour Paix et Progress | To | Debating the Free Alduria Resolution, 2609 |
| Message | Of course the base constitution changes. Would you like to know how? Go to your party page. Create a new bill. Add a proposal. Choose legislation that is part of the constitution. Make your proposal. Have it passed. There you go. |
| Date | 00:53:16, July 23, 2008 CET | From | Parti Imperial du Peuple (IA) | To | Debating the Free Alduria Resolution, 2609 |
| Message | The Constitution has that we have an elected HoS in it, and yet we don't. It never changes, the names in there change, but the rest stays the same no matter what. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 432 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 286 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 32 |
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