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Bill: Budget proposal of July 2610
Details
Submitted by[?]: The Liberal Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill proposes to change the allocation of funds in the budget. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2611
Description[?]:
| The The Liberal Party propose to adjust the government's spending budget to better address the economic and social situation of the United Republics of Lodamun. |
Proposals
Article 1
| Ministry | Current Budget | Old Budget | Propesed Budget |
| Head of Government | 500,000,000 LOD | 250,000,000 LOD | 250,000,000 LOD |
| Foreign Affairs | 4,000,000,000 LOD | 3,000,000,000 LOD | 3,000,000,000 LOD |
| Internal Affairs | 6,000,000,000 LOD | 4,000,000,000 LOD | 4,000,000,000 LOD |
| Finance | 1,500,000,000 LOD | 800,000,000 LOD | 800,000,000 LOD |
| Defence | 11,500,000,000 LOD | 47,000,000,000 LOD | 110,000,000,000 LOD |
| Justice | 5,500,000,000 LOD | 2,500,000,000 LOD | 2,500,000,000 LOD |
| Infrastructure and Transport | 7,500,000,000 LOD | 4,000,000,000 LOD | 4,000,000,000 LOD |
| Health and Social Services | 20,000,000,000 LOD | 28,800,000,000 LOD | 10,000,000,000 LOD |
| Education and Culture | 17,500,000,000 LOD | 45,000,000,000 LOD | 1,000,000,000 LOD |
| Science and Technology | 2,000,000,000 LOD | 9,000,000,000 LOD | 9,000,000,000 LOD |
| Food and Agriculture | 5,000,000,000 LOD | 2,800,000,000 LOD | 2,800,000,000 LOD |
| Environment and Tourism | 500,000,000 LOD | 7,000,000,000 LOD | 7,000,000,000 LOD |
| Trade and Industry | 5,500,000,000 LOD | 1,000,000,000 LOD | 1,000,000,000 LOD |
| Total | 87,000,000,000 LOD | 155,150,000,000 LOD | 155,350,000,000 LOD |
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 23:30:07, July 23, 2008 CET |
From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2610 | | Message | The Defense budget is very underfunded. Wasn't the education budget underfunded with only 2 billion less than Defense? Times change, new technology requires more money. |
| Date | 23:35:44, July 23, 2008 CET |
From | Democrats | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2610 | | Message | We prefer that the finance minister deals with such matters, however perhaps in future he would consider increasing the defence budget a little bit. |
| Date | 23:48:07, July 23, 2008 CET |
From | Democrats | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2610 | | Message | Yet proposing to devote over one sixth of our total GDP to defene spending is sound economics?
ooc: Not denying that right at all, however we shall back our government partners when they propose sensible stuff. And one assumes you were the finance minister when you proposed those budgets? |
| Date | 00:02:58, July 24, 2008 CET |
From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2610 | | Message | OOC: I don't know if you understood the sarcasm of this proposal, I can't say I expected you to but just making sure you know.
Yes, I was the Finance Minister but I reserve the right to propose anything I want, especially when we have an incompetent, do-nothing Finance Minister, Head of State, and Cabinet. |
| Date | 01:39:44, July 24, 2008 CET |
From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2610 | | Message | OOC: You guys don't RP anything whatsoever. I think you should just shut up (not the bad shut up) and stay quiet because your government is simply lame-duck and you have done and accomplish nothing. |
| Date | 04:24:06, July 24, 2008 CET |
From | Lodamun Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2610 | | Message | I would say cutting the countries budget with 50 billion is something. And then we have privatizing education and health care, but I guess for you thats nothing |
| Date | 07:14:11, July 24, 2008 CET |
From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2610 | | Message | "I would say cutting the countries budget with 50 billion is something. And then we have privatizing education and health care, but I guess for you thats nothing."
For me, it is very stupid and careless to lower the budget all at once. The budget should be decreased progressively not all at once. I would have supported it because I know some things (that should not have privatized such as our children's education and our citizen's healthcare) have been privatized. But since you are a knuckle-head, who is probably still in high school (or whatever that is called in Norway), who also thinks he knows about economics, you don't listen. I have given BILLIONS of LOD in income tax cuts to the people without decreasing our budget or without increasing any tax whatsoever. But hey, you are the economist here. |
| Date | 23:24:09, July 24, 2008 CET |
From | Democrats | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2610 | | Message | ooc: What do you mean we don't RP and are lame ducks and have accomplished nothing? Our government has just radically altered the relationship between the state and the people, a fairly substantial change one would suggest. So far your RP amounts to, claiming 20 million people massed in one place, and burning down the Presidents home, wow, thats amazing. Oh, and whining about stuff you show no real awareness of like, and digging up really dodgy bits of legislation that only you are aware off, fantastic. |
| Date | 00:12:21, July 25, 2008 CET |
From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2610 | | Message | OOC: Look, baby-face, I am the only here, with the exception of WFP, who RP anything. Have you looked at previous pages of the newspaper or you don't know how to do that either? Cabinet is totally different from Parliament. This game is based on Role-Playing, if you don't role-Play, you are, literally, doing NOTHING. As for the laws that YOU are not aware of, it is NOT my problem YOU don't know they exist. Other parties here (LLP) knows that it exists. You don't follow the law, I won't either. |
| Date | 10:45:47, July 25, 2008 CET |
From | Democrats | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2610 | | Message | ooc; Haha, oh you are so pathetic. There is nothing extraordinary in any of the articles in that newspaper thus far. By proposing laws, we are RPing. As for laws I am not aware of, yes that is my problem, however they all seems so irrelevent that even you have ignored them in the past. |
| Date | 20:33:41, July 25, 2008 CET |
From | The Liberal Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2610 | | Message | OOC: I haven't ignored any laws, I just didn't have time to execute them. Look, you do not post ANYTHING so why don't you just go to a corner and stay there, quiet, because everytime you say something, it is either useless, worthless, dumb, with no knowledge of the subject (also known as stupid).
And you said it yourself, it is your problem to know the laws, not mine. |
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| Vote |
Seats |
| yes | Total Seats: 39 |
| no | Total Seats: 106 |
| abstain | Total Seats: 5 |
| Random fact: Submitting a bill without any proposals in it will not attract or detract voters. It will not raise your visibility or change your political position. |
| Random quote: "Laws are like sausages, it is better not to see them being made" - Otto von Bismark |