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Bill: Abortion Compromise Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Red Tory Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 2614
Description[?]:
| As much as we hate to allow abortion upon request, we feel that this is a must. We have been unsuccessful in passing legislation banning abortion, so we feel that this is the first step we must take. This is an enormous improvement over current legislation, but it does not take it as far as we would like. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Policy on the legality of abortions
Old value:: Abortion is allowed during the entire course of the pregnancy.
Current: Abortion is allowed during the first trimester.
Proposed: Abortion is allowed during the first trimester.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 19:47:36, July 30, 2008 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Abortion Compromise Act |
| Message | While we actually agree with the specifics - we'll have to oppose on principle. We can't sanction the removal of civil liberties. Especially now. |
| Date | 20:00:14, July 30, 2008 CET | From | Spenocratic Party | To | Debating the Abortion Compromise Act |
| Message | The Spenocrats believe that this is obviously and improvement over the current law, but it is still far from being where we need to be. Limiting abortion to a certain time does not go far enough in protecting our children. It is somewhat similar to saying that you are allowed to kill someone as long as they aren't over the age of 20. Of course this will save the lives of those over 20, but its not stopping people from killing. We believe that abortion should be banned upon instances and methods rather than time. While we will overwhelmingly support this bill, the party only believes in abortion in the case of a medical emergency, and even then we want to see every effort made to save the life of the mother and child. Instead of teaching our youth that it is okay to have an abortion, we should teach them responsibility. People should abstain from sexual activities if they are not ready to have a child. It's that simple. We cannot go killing Likatonia's babies for the sake of convenience for the mother. The baby should not be punished for the irresponsibilty of the mother. A long time ago, we realized that people of different races are people too. After that, we realized that women were people too. It is time that we realize that the unborn are people. They deserve protection under the law, just like every other human being. We aren't giving them any special rights, just the right to life like every other person has. We want to give them the opportunity to prosper, just like every other person. "...and yet they complain about an aging population." Spencer Turner Leader of the Spenocratic Party |
| Date | 21:20:28, July 30, 2008 CET | From | Red Tory Party | To | Debating the Abortion Compromise Act |
| Message | While we do feel that we must teach our youth responsibility, we feel that it is in our nation's best interest to teach safe sex over abstinence. |
| Date | 21:45:46, July 30, 2008 CET | From | Berosian Party | To | Debating the Abortion Compromise Act |
| Message | While the Berosians agree with the SuD that a woman has the right to choose what to do with her own body, we also agree with the Tories and Spenocrats that an unborn child's life is a fickle thing, and that it should be protected. That said, we are satisfied with the bill put before us, and feel that it is an adequate compromise between those who believe in a woman's right to choose and those who believe in protecting the lives of fetuses. In an ideal world, abortions would not be necessary. But, as it happens, they occasionally are, which is why the Berosians will never advocate a total ban on the practice. It is also true that a fetus has the right to life. The ideal solution would be to promote safer sex and to crack down on sexual offenders. But in regards to abortion, this proposal is a fair compromise. |
| Date | 21:54:55, July 30, 2008 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Abortion Compromise Act |
| Message | Innocente Immeressen made the following statement to the Convocation: "Our compatriots in the Spenocratic Party say that the unborn are people too. It's an interesting perspective - but it's just an opinion, and not even a very scientific one. A foetus before the age of 20 weeks has no coherent brain activity. How does that qualify as 'a person'? Indeed - what IS 'a person'? Personality? We see no evidence that foetuses have personality. Just having human DNA? In which case - why aren't sperm people too? The ability to sustain itself as a life form? " |
| Date | 23:48:21, July 30, 2008 CET | From | Traditional Conservative Party | To | Debating the Abortion Compromise Act |
| Message | We agree with the Spenocratic party and everything they stated in their response. How long the mother has been pregnant does not change the act of abortion at all, it is exactly the same, it is murder. The only way this is an improvenment is the fact that is saves some children. But other children, who are just as much human being as the others, are still being murdered. And this is still an outrageous law. |
| Date | 23:54:55, July 30, 2008 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Abortion Compromise Act |
| Message | Innocente Immeressen issued the following response: "We're seeinga lot of appeals to emotion here, and very little actual scientific evidence. While that's fine when you're discussing what you want the preacher to talk about at this weekend's mass, it has no place in a discussion about a medical procedure." |
| Date | 02:02:16, July 31, 2008 CET | From | Traditional Conservative Party | To | Debating the Abortion Compromise Act |
| Message | There is more scientific evidence pointing towards the phetus being a human than there is not. |
| Date | 02:23:43, July 31, 2008 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Abortion Compromise Act |
| Message | Innocente Immeressen issued the following statement: "No such thing, TCP - there is evidence that a foetus is human tissue - but so is cancer. There is evidence that a foetus is 'living' - but so is cancer. The science shows that a foetus is 'human' and 'living', but it DOESN"T show that it is 'A human life'. Abrtion is a medical procedure - it is the removal of unwanted tissue from a person's body." |
| Date | 02:30:08, July 31, 2008 CET | From | Traditional Conservative Party | To | Debating the Abortion Compromise Act |
| Message | So how would you describe a humal life? 'human' and 'living' sounds pretty accurate to me. |
| Date | 02:40:25, July 31, 2008 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Abortion Compromise Act |
| Message | Innocente Immeressen released the following statement: "The terms 'human' and 'living' are pretty accurate for cancers, are they not? A third eyeball in the middle of your forehead, caused by genetic abberation, would be 'human' and 'living'. Yet - in both these cases, you'd be considered odd if you did NOT at least try to have the tissue removed. "A human life" obviously can't be summed up so easily. Sperms are 'human' and 'living' - yet they are not considered 'human lives', so the point at which a sperm and an egg unite is a pretty arbitrary place to base your argument. Our PERSONAL belief, is that the best descriptor for 'a human life' is that it has 'human' brain activity. Of course, where you determine that to be is still a gray area. Coherent brain function doesn't start until at least the 20th week, so that seems a fair margin of error... but you COULD argue that 'human' brain activity doesn't actually start until (at least) the point where the foetus can specifically react to specific stimuli... which would be considerably later." |
| Date | 03:45:46, July 31, 2008 CET | From | Traditional Conservative Party | To | Debating the Abortion Compromise Act |
| Message | The difference between a human phetus and a cancer is the fact that we KNOW the phetus is a human being? How do we know that? Because thats what every single person on this earth was originally, if we know that it is "human" and we know that it is "living" and we know thats what a human is (a phetus), then we know it is a living human being. Thats what all humans were. Just like all humans were also 6 years old at some point. |
| Date | 05:31:28, July 31, 2008 CET | From | Traditional Conservative Party | To | Debating the Abortion Compromise Act |
| Message | Did they have the same reasoning ability and patience as they did when they turned 16? No. They grew and became more intelligent and mature. Just like a phetus matures into a baby child. |
| Date | 05:42:30, July 31, 2008 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Abortion Compromise Act |
| Message | "The best the TCP can manage is 'we know it is' and 'it will be'? We rest our case". --Innocente Immeressen. |
| Date | 20:19:40, July 31, 2008 CET | From | Red Tory Party | To | Debating the Abortion Compromise Act |
| Message | "Does the SuDP have no respect for human entities? Where is their sense of dignity?" An RTP supporter July 2614 |
| Date | 22:18:49, July 31, 2008 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Abortion Compromise Act |
| Message | "The SuDP has respect for all human life. Part of that equation, however, is allowing that refusing to allow abortion is making a woman an involuntary slave of whoever might happen to be in her uterus. It is subsuming the already established rights of the mother, under the 'potential' rights of a child that might or might not ever reach fruition". --Innocente Immeressen, in response to the above question, raised (again) in the "Immeressent Gazette and Market News" |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 277 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 314 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 75 |
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