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Bill: Banning DWC's
Details
Submitted by[?]: Freedom Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2119
Description[?]:
| We believe that DWC's are not democratic, an infringement on owners and if workers want to run a business, then they can invest their OWN money in a business and it will be them who control it as shareholders/partners. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy on Democratic Workers' Councils.
Old value:: The government does not intervene in the marketplace with regards to Democratic Workers' Councils.
Current: The government encourages the formation of Democratic Workers' Councils through subsidies and tax exemptions.
Proposed: Democratic Workers' Councils are not permitted to run a business.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 20:49:03, September 28, 2005 CET | From |   RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Banning DWC's |
| Message | STRONGLY opposed. This Act demonstrates your libertarian hypocricy: your libertarianism only goes as far as the interests of corporate greed are concerned. Perhaps it never occured with you that the owner of a company might decide for himself whether he wants his company to be run by a DWC or not? |
| Date | 21:15:29, September 28, 2005 CET | From | Conservative Party | To | Debating the Banning DWC's |
| Message | God bless'em if they can get a working majority of the shares. |
| Date | 22:34:58, September 28, 2005 CET | From | Civic Democratic Party | To | Debating the Banning DWC's |
| Message | Actually I will have to stand agains this. If workers want to form corporations founded upon DWC principals they can and the government shouldn't interfere in that. But also, as the CP has stated, they'll have a hell of a time gaining a majority of shares in an already formed corporation. Plus I believe DWC's can only work, if at all, in small businesses, no more than 200 or so employees, otherwise the sheer statistics and sheer bureaucracy of it is mindboggling. |
| Date | 09:38:07, September 29, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Banning DWC's |
| Message | Guys,if they want to start their own business, they can set it up as a partnership or ltd company and be the fucking shareholders. RSDP, why would any owner want to let his business be run by his workers and he therefore has no say? If he wants workers to help he can ask them to, give them shares or promote them *rolls eyes* |
| Date | 21:08:04, September 29, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Banning DWC's |
| Message | Ever heard of idealism? "Actually I will have to stand agains this. If workers want to form corporations founded upon DWC principals they can and the government shouldn't interfere in that. But also, as the CP has stated, they'll have a hell of a time gaining a majority of shares in an already formed corporation. Plus I believe DWC's can only work, if at all, in small businesses, no more than 200 or so employees, otherwise the sheer statistics and sheer bureaucracy of it is mindboggling." So, let me summarise, you think the government shouldn' t interfere with allowing people to form corporations founded upon DWC principles, yet you favour outlawing any form of DWC? "Guys,if they want to start their own business, they can set it up as a partnership or ltd company and be the fucking shareholders." There's an enormous difference between a partnership and a DWC. :rolleyes: |
| Date | 21:41:40, September 29, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Banning DWC's |
| Message | How so? Explain |
| Date | 23:47:09, September 29, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Banning DWC's |
| Message | I dont see the point in this article. If a person or a group of people wish to set up a business following a DWC format, it is not the place of the state to stop. Surely that is just as bad as taking peoples' businesses and giving them to DWCs? |
| Date | 23:42:17, September 30, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Banning DWC's |
| Message | Wheres the difference between a partnership and a DWC? A company can be a DWC by making all its employess partners in the business and giving them voting rights if they want to |
| Date | 00:06:07, October 01, 2005 CET | From | Conservative Party | To | Debating the Banning DWC's |
| Message | How does one gain control over a company without having a majority of the voting shares, I ask? |
| Date | 01:41:41, October 01, 2005 CET | From | Kommunistische Arbeitspartei | To | Debating the Banning DWC's |
| Message | It seems hypocritical that a so-called 'Freedom' party would support such bald-faced oppression of the workers. |
| Date | 17:11:42, October 01, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Banning DWC's |
| Message | "Wheres the difference between a partnership and a DWC? A company can be a DWC by making all its employess partners in the business and giving them voting rights if they want to" If partnership = DWC then this bill is unnecessary anyway. |
| Date | 18:09:04, October 01, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Banning DWC's |
| Message | "an infringement on owners" Bullshit, an owner is capable of deciding for himself whether he wants to run his company himself, or, out of idealism, allow the workers to do that. |
| Date | 23:55:50, October 01, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Banning DWC's |
| Message | I dont see how a DWC is in any way "ideal" but banning them is restrictive and wrong. Unless of course Weg set up the attributes for the issue so that it isnt ;-) lol. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 101 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 296 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 202 |
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