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Bill: Review of the governmental role in economics.
Details
Submitted by[?]: Hobrazian Extraordinary Gentlemen's Club
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 2632
Description[?]:
| HSJP is willing to participate in the debate with other parties of Hobrazia and do a "reality-check" on the following proposals: |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy on industry and subsidies to industrial operations.
Old value:: The government does not intervene in the market nor provide any form of subsidies/relief to industries.
Current: The government subsidizes private enterprises that face bankruptcy.
Proposed: The state owns the commanding heights of the economy and all major industries, but private ownership is allowed in the minor industries.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The nation's policy on minimum wage regulation.
Old value:: There shall be a minimum wage at a level that a single full time worker on it can adequately subsist.
Current: There shall be a minimum wage at a level that a full time worker on it can support a family of four without falling under the poverty line.
Proposed: There shall be a minimum wage at a level that a full time worker on it can support a family of four without falling under the poverty line.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:10:53, September 02, 2008 CET | From |  Hobrazian Extraordinary Gentlemen's Club | To | Debating the Review of the governmental role in economics. |
| Message | The government should be taking the vital role in the economics of our country, this way it will be possible to get rid of socially irresponsible businesses. Enterpreneurs and capitalists aim to achieve profits and satisfy other materialistic demands of the shareholders- sometimes doing it at all costs, often placing that above morals and ethics of the society they operate in. Our party believes that with proper investments into education and launch of special proper programs to provide government with qualified and experienced employees both for leading and dependent positions. The government is able of achieving more than private capital. In case the government takes the vital role of the economics, the increase of minimum wage even if considered a burden, will apply mostly to governmental sector. The risk of high unemployment will not be valid, since of government being the main employer. Provision of a such decent minimal wage will improve the quality of life for the people. The use of industrial hemp- regulations is required to avoid the misuse. Hobrazian Social Justice Party is looking forward to hearing points of view of other parties. |
| Date | 23:55:38, September 02, 2008 CET | From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the Review of the governmental role in economics. |
| Message | Firstly, we would like to say we welcome this discussion with our right honourable friends on this point as the economy is, and should always be, of prime importance to any government and its operation, or lack thereof, must be designed in the interest of what is best for the nation rather than what is deemed best for political motivations. In regards the points raised: Whilst we agree that the government should take a vital role in the economics of this nation we disagree that the government should be strongly involved in the "every day" operation of the majority of industries. The government, or more specifically the public sector (which, contrary to what many free marketeers believe, is not directly one and the same), should be involved in areas of vital services. In regards these services we would lean toward healthcare, emergency services, etc. but more than that the public sector should be involved in those industries that are vital to the nation or that the private sector is either unable or unwilling to support for one reason or another. In regards these areas we move specifically towards infrastructure, i.e. rail and road networks, energy distribution and production, water, etc. Other areas that are not deemed "vital" should be left to entrepreneurs and private businesses purely because in those other areas it is less about providing a requirement of service provision but more about choice of service (or product) provision. As private industry is capable of more rapidly altering its business requirements to changing conditions than the public sector, which in operating vital public services does not have the requirement for such changes, the public as a whole receive better overall provision by allowing the private sector to operate relatively freely. However, whilst allowing those privateers to operate with relative freedom they must also accept the risks of such freedom and as such no private industry should receive any handouts from government. If private industry requires government funds, then the government may as well provide those services and have control over what is offered to the public. The minimum wage laws are just that, a minimum. Whilst it is noble to increase those minimums we must also take into account the economic costs of providing those wages. We agree that a well paid worker is a productive worker, but we must also accept that some industries have very low profit margins and, as such, can only offer low wages. These industries do, however, provide a vital link in the economic chain in allowing people into the job market and providing work experience and so allow people to gain better employment. We fail to see the need for regulations in the use of industrial hemp. The product is an excellent one providing cheap and green alternatives to the production of paper, fuel, biodegradable plastics, food, clothing, medicine, as well as numerous other applications and well helping to maintain topsoil on unused fields. We fail to understand the requirement to limit its production to regulated agribusiness when we should be allowing any and all farms to utilise this product. |
| Date | 06:09:13, September 03, 2008 CET | From | National Imperial Hobrazian Front | To | Debating the Review of the governmental role in economics. |
| Message | We can agree with the first two articles. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 124 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 119 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 157 |
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