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Bill: Paramilitary Organisations Act 2633
Details
Submitted by[?]: Wiedervereinigten Nationalisten
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2633
Description[?]:
| Be it enacted upon the Emperor’s most Illustrious and Lutheran Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the representatives of the people of Greater Hulstria, in this present Imperial Diet assembled: An Act to ban the formation, maintenance, and arming of paramilitary organisations and to extend such proscriptions to all paramilitary activities. Article I - Short title, Definitions, and etc. 1) This Act may be cited as the Paramilitary Organisations Act 2631. 2) Unless otherwise stated, "paramilitary organisation" refers to any armed organisation, army, or group which, made up of non-military personnel, acts as a military force without the sanction of His Imperial Majesty's Armed Forces or His Imperial Majesty's Government. Article II - Proscriptions of Paramilitary Organisations 1) No political party in Greater Hulstria shall establish, maintain, operate, fund, or otherwise support, directly or indirectly, any paramilitary organisation in the Imperial Crownlands of Greater Hulstria. 2) In addition to the proscription in Section 1 of this Article, no other organisation or private individual shall establish, maintain, operate, fund, or otherwise support, directly or indirectly, any paramilitary organisation. 3) No foreign paramilitary organisation shall be allowed to operate within the borders of the Imperial Crownlands of Greater Hulstria without the formal approval of the Staatsminister, the Minister of Defence, the Minister of Foreign Affairs, and the Minister of Internal Affairs. 4) Should a foreign paramilitary organisation be grated permission to operate within the borders of the Imperial Crownlands of Greater Hulstria, it shall be the duty of the Staatsminister to inform the Imperial Diet as soon as practical, unless this would compromise the safety or security of Greater Hulstria or its citizens. 5) If any person should knowingly provide, or orchestrate the provision of, weapons or ammuntion to a paramilitary organisation then they shall be guilty of a felony and, having been properly convicted, shall be sentenced to a term of imprisonment not exceeding sixty years and not less than ten years. Article III - Disbandment of Current Paramilitary Organisations 1) Should any paramilitary organisations be presently operating within Greater Hulstria, or by a political party in Greater Hulstria, then it should be disbanded within six months of the passage of this Act. 2) Any political party represented in the Imperial Diet may request for a formal investigation to be brought forth to determine if an paramilitary organisation is being operated illegally. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 03:25:50, September 06, 2008 CET | From |  Traditional Conservative's Party | To | Debating the Paramilitary Organisations Act 2633 |
| Message | As the TCP have a "paramilitary organization", the Traditional People's Police, we must vote no to the proposed bill. Our party milita, the Traditional People's Police and the youth branch, the Traditional Youth Cadets, have played vital roles in the TCP since our founding. The TPP serve as a police force at party gatherings, as well as playing signifigant roles in our party marches. Some groups of TPP troopers have, on occasion, travelled overseas to other nations to help causes deemed fit by the head of the TPP, Colonel of the Traditional People's Police, Major Josef Weiss. (An example is a group of TPP troopers were sent to Hutori to fight for the monarch.) We understand the purpose of this bill, but as it would outlaw a historical arm of the TCP we must vote against it. |
| Date | 03:47:47, September 06, 2008 CET | From | Wiedervereinigten Nationalisten | To | Debating the Paramilitary Organisations Act 2633 |
| Message | "I urge my honourable allies to reconsider their position. Allowing paramilitary organisations, especially political paramilitaries, is akin to inviting civil unrest into the nation, as our nation has experiences with. We should be encouraging absolute dedication to our democratic, parliamentary political system. Paramilitary organisations pose a threat to this system and therefore they should be proscribed." -Nicolaas van der Burgh Chairman of the HNP DM for Hennersdam Centre HNP Spokesman for Finance |
| Date | 09:51:45, September 06, 2008 CET | From | Republican Coalition | To | Debating the Paramilitary Organisations Act 2633 |
| Message | "We are absolutely against this proposal. The Black Legion will not disband under any circumstances" Drachus Forge President of the Patriciate Coalition President of the Forge Foundation Grand Commander of the Black Legion |
| Date | 14:45:59, September 06, 2008 CET | From | HÅÅkai | To | Debating the Paramilitary Organisations Act 2633 |
| Message | We shall support this, as party militias have no place in constitutional democracies, and can only lead to the transformation of the peaceful electoral conflict into a military conflict. Furthermore, after the passing of this bill, the Ministry of the Interiour shall authorise a massive police campaign to eliminate the currently active paramilitary organisations and terrorist groups threatenning our peace and constitutional stability. Fujiwara Kyosuke Minister of Internal Affairs |
| Date | 16:00:32, September 06, 2008 CET | From | Kaiserliche Hulsterreichische Partei | To | Debating the Paramilitary Organisations Act 2633 |
| Message | You have the support of both the KHP and His Imperial Majesty. |
| Date | 21:34:12, September 06, 2008 CET | From | Traditional Conservative's Party | To | Debating the Paramilitary Organisations Act 2633 |
| Message | Perhaps we could compromise? Party militas are allowed only if they are authroized and permitted to exist by the Ministers of Interior and Defense. Does that sound good? |
| Date | 03:22:54, September 07, 2008 CET | From | Wiedervereinigten Nationalisten | To | Debating the Paramilitary Organisations Act 2633 |
| Message | "Am I to understand that my honourable colleagues in the Patriciate Coalition are prepared to violate the law of Greater Hulstria? This bill has received the sanction of a majority of the constitution of the present Imperial Diet and the majority of parties and it will almost certainly be passed following the elections. Does the Patriciate Coalition view our laws as trivial and unimportant things which can be ignored at whim?" -Nicolaas van der Burgh Chairman of the HNP DM for Hennersdam North HNP Spokesman on Finance |
| Date | 20:20:54, September 07, 2008 CET | From | Republican Coalition | To | Debating the Paramilitary Organisations Act 2633 |
| Message | "The Black Legion has been an ever present force for over two centuries. It presently operates off the coast of Husltria, if necissary outside of Hulstrian terretorial waters, but it operates none the less. We will not be pressured into the removal of our powers abroad, powers which are none of the Hulstrian Government's affairs. The laws of Hulstria are to be upheld. But as this will not become law (requiring a constitutional amendment of 2/3rds), it is rather an irrelevant matter no? I think the HNP may have been counting it's eggs before they were hatched" Drachus Forge President of the Patriciate Coalition President of the Forge Foundation Grand Commander of the Black Legion |
| Date | 20:36:21, September 07, 2008 CET | From | Wiedervereinigten Nationalisten | To | Debating the Paramilitary Organisations Act 2633 |
| Message | "How is this in any way a constitutional amendment?" -Nicolaas van der Burgh Chairman of the HNP DM for Graaffsberg South HNP Spokesman on Finance |
| Date | 23:11:35, September 07, 2008 CET | From | Republican Coalition | To | Debating the Paramilitary Organisations Act 2633 |
| Message | OOC: Banning paramilitaries? It's a major act in the constitution in restricting party's actions and how things occur in the nation no? Besides you lost anyway |
| Date | 23:38:14, September 07, 2008 CET | From | Wiedervereinigten Nationalisten | To | Debating the Paramilitary Organisations Act 2633 |
| Message | OOC: Where are paramilitaries mentioned in the constitution? They were established and are regulated by the Rildanor Accord, which is a mod thing. As for losing anyway, voting isn't over. |
| Date | 02:35:46, September 08, 2008 CET | From | Republican Coalition | To | Debating the Paramilitary Organisations Act 2633 |
| Message | OOC: By morning it will be. I'm trying to mix RP with game mechanics, there is little use seperating modding and game mechanics when it comes to such RP bills. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 270 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 318 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 62 |
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