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Bill: The Punishment for Crimes Against Baultisia
Details
Submitted by[?]: Baltusian Neo Exsudo Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 2122
Description[?]:
| Capital Punishment, for Murderers! |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy with respect to the death penalty.
Old value:: The death penalty is illegal and is never to be applied.
Current: The death penalty is illegal and is never to be applied.
Proposed: The death penalty is applied for capital crimes.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 02:29:14, October 02, 2005 CET | From | Baltusian Neo Exsudo Party | To | Debating the The Punishment for Crimes Against Baultisia |
| Message | This Should be for Murderers should not be allowed to continue after the pain they have caused to the community. |
| Date | 02:44:22, October 02, 2005 CET | From |  Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the The Punishment for Crimes Against Baultisia |
| Message | No for a bunch of reasons: *It cant be undone and the justice system is fallible. *What gives you the right to remove the most sacred of all human rights? *Eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth is barbaric and ridiculuously naive. It has only led to trouble in the past (see any arms race for instance) and will continue to do so if it is enshrined in law. *Who are you to make statements on behalf of the community? |
| Date | 08:18:17, October 02, 2005 CET | From | Baltusian Neo Exsudo Party | To | Debating the The Punishment for Crimes Against Baultisia |
| Message | Have you ever Been the Victome of a Justice system so corrupt and inept that the Murderer who killed someone you know got away with a life sentence (OOC: 25 years in Canada) only to have Him Released for 'good behavior' in less than 5? Only to have Him reapeat His Privious Crime Of Murder in the first place to some one else? If He Had RECIVED Capital Punishment the second hell even more families other than that of your own would not have to live with the pain that you your self never want other people to feel. How would you feel if you know that Because Of Governments Lack Of Moral Fiber in the willingness of the people (OOC: 69% i think,maybe more, of Canadians believe that capital punishment should be reinstated) That The government believes that it is horribly crule and inhumane. Liberal pansies. The Fact of the matter is that Most of the Bastard Murderers (OOC: In CANADA) in prisons are god damned repeat offenders who recive Nothing BUT a SLAP ON THE F#*&ing wrist (OOC: excuse my french) where we might add they hold the keys to their own release on account of 'good behavior'. For These Reasons The DEATH penalty Should apply to Murderers to save people from suffering more pain than is needed. |
| Date | 08:19:52, October 02, 2005 CET | From | Baltusian Neo Exsudo Party | To | Debating the The Punishment for Crimes Against Baultisia |
| Message | Victim*. |
| Date | 13:02:10, October 02, 2005 CET | From | National Party of Baltusia | To | Debating the The Punishment for Crimes Against Baultisia |
| Message | You will not receive our support. Without the death penalty, judges and juries are relied on to give suitable sentences that would be just as good in retributional, protection, and deterrence stakes. |
| Date | 15:38:30, October 02, 2005 CET | From | Revolutionary Socialist Alliance | To | Debating the The Punishment for Crimes Against Baultisia |
| Message | We will overwhelmingly reject this. |
| Date | 15:58:28, October 02, 2005 CET | From | Democratic Socialists | To | Debating the The Punishment for Crimes Against Baultisia |
| Message | As can be expected, we will never support the re-introduction of this barbaric practise. |
| Date | 07:23:10, October 03, 2005 CET | From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the The Punishment for Crimes Against Baultisia |
| Message | "Have you ever Been the Victome of a Justice system so corrupt and inept that the Murderer who killed someone you know got away with a life sentence (OOC: 25 years in Canada) only to have Him Released for 'good behavior' in less than 5? Only to have Him reapeat His Privious Crime Of Murder in the first place to some one else? If He Had RECIVED Capital Punishment the second hell even more families other than that of your own would not have to live with the pain that you your self never want other people to feel. How would you feel if you know that Because Of Governments Lack Of Moral Fiber in the willingness of the people (OOC: 69% i think,maybe more, of Canadians believe that capital punishment should be reinstated) That The government believes that it is horribly crule and inhumane. Liberal pansies. The Fact of the matter is that Most of the Bastard Murderers (OOC: In CANADA) in prisons are god damned repeat offenders who recive Nothing BUT a SLAP ON THE F#*&ing wrist (OOC: excuse my french) where we might add they hold the keys to their own release on account of 'good behavior'. For These Reasons The DEATH penalty Should apply to Murderers to save people from suffering more pain than is needed." And if he had been innocent? |
| Date | 07:23:58, October 03, 2005 CET | From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the The Punishment for Crimes Against Baultisia |
| Message | I also think that insulting your opponents is likely to make you even less popular than your authoritarian forebears combined (see the Tots, the Hosengotts and the TIP). Remain civil. |
| Date | 00:39:13, October 05, 2005 CET | From | Baltusian Neo Exsudo Party | To | Debating the The Punishment for Crimes Against Baultisia |
| Message | OOC: Insicire hippie. Name one instance in the real world where an innocent man would and has been killed by means of the death penalty. |
| Date | 01:34:24, October 05, 2005 CET | From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the The Punishment for Crimes Against Baultisia |
| Message | OOC: From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_penalty#Arguments_against, "Since 1973, 119 people in 25 USA states have been released from death row with evidence of their innocence." That to me shows a pretty damn fallible system. |
| Date | 01:37:47, October 05, 2005 CET | From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the The Punishment for Crimes Against Baultisia |
| Message | OOC: Actually read through that whole section, particularly "The death penalty is not a deterrent; in the US recent studies do not support the view that capital punishment acts as a deterrent. [11]. It is also argued that anyone who would be deterred by the death penalty would already have been deterred by life in prison, and people that are not deterred by that would not be stopped by any punishment. This argument is typically supported by claims that those states that have implemented the death penalty recently have not had a reduction of violent crime. A stronger variant of this argument suggests that criminals who believe they will face the death penalty are more likely to use violence or murder to avoid capture, and that therefore the death penalty might theoretically even increase the rate of violent crime. [12]" and "The death penalty is killing. All killing is wrong, therefore the death penalty is wrong. According to Victor Hugo: «Que dit la loi? Tu ne tueras pas! Comment le dit-elle? En tuant!» ("What does the law say? You will not kill! How does it say it? By killing!")." Notice how the list of arguments against is also significantly longer than the arguments for? |
| Date | 00:52:08, October 07, 2005 CET | From | Baltusian Neo Exsudo Party | To | Debating the The Punishment for Crimes Against Baultisia |
| Message | It keeps people form leeching off the prison system. |
| Date | 03:25:45, October 07, 2005 CET | From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the The Punishment for Crimes Against Baultisia |
| Message | Thats your response? |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 128 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 338 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 0 |
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