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Bill: Egalité electorale (275 seats)
Details
Submitted by[?]: Union des Femmes Chrétiennes
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2646
Description[?]:
The Sénat shall be expanded to 275 seats.
Each party is encouraged to maintain gender equality in nominating candidates. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 02:28:49, September 29, 2008 CET |
From | Alliance Socialiste Conservateur | To | Debating the Egalité electorale (275 seats) | | Message | While this proposal seems to have only good intentions, we prefer a system which gives the people the freedom to elect whomever they wish regardless of gender. Forcing one representative from each Sénat constituency to meet certain gender requirement is, as the members of the Front National stated, "counter-democratic." |
| Date | 08:12:12, September 29, 2008 CET |
From | Front National | To | Debating the Egalité electorale (275 seats) | | Message | We rise to echo the arguments of the PPC. You cannot mandate the gender of a senator and call that Democracy. In addition, beyond any arguments regarding how democratic this method of imposing equality would be, we should examine the necessity of such measures. Currently, the national cabinet is majority female, an all-female party is in government, and that same party controls eleven percent of the national legislature. We believe that all of this is indicative of the equality of women to men, if not socially, then politically. |
| Date | 08:26:37, September 29, 2008 CET |
From | Syndicat Anarchiste | To | Debating the Egalité electorale (275 seats) | | Message | the Syndicate stands with the UFC. The time is past for allowing men to dictate the future of this nation. If anything, the AS would propose that a more representative system of quotas be intituted in the Sénat to ensure representation of previously-ignored minorities in Rildanor.
200 representatives will yield no more ties than 100.
In response to the FN- It is a well-known fact that your party puts forth no female candidates. If the Sénat truly aimed to be fully democratic and oppose discriminatory and hateful interests, your supposed "Party" would be the first to be ejected.
The national cabinet has a female majority solely through the efforts of the UFC and the AS. A cursory glance through its roster should confirm that. |
| Date | 08:47:22, September 29, 2008 CET |
From | Front National | To | Debating the Egalité electorale (275 seats) | | Message | It is a gross untruth that our party puts forth no female candidates. Not only do we put forth female candidates, our party also has female shadow ministers, amongst whom are Felice Chaquin (Food and Agriculture), Coco Defromage (Science and Technology), and Putain LeSalope (Infrastructure and Transport).
The fact that the national cabinet's female majority is due to the cabinet positions of the SA and UFC is not, therefore, because our party is of a sexist nature, but rather because, despite being consistently the largest party in the nation, we received only three cabinet posts, compared with five each for the SA and the UFC. Five cabinet posts, for a party with only 12% of the vote, and three for a party with 25%! |
| Date | 16:15:17, September 29, 2008 CET |
From | Syndicat Anarchiste | To | Debating the Egalité electorale (275 seats) | | Message | Regardless of partisan excuses, vacillations, and weak wills, this bill should go forward. The Sénat must be expanded- this issue can't be postponed any longer.
Equitable gender representation may, if the UFC agrees, be debated in a later resolution. |
| Date | 16:55:13, September 29, 2008 CET |
From | Syndicat Anarchiste | To | Debating the Egalité electorale (275 seats) | | Message | the Syndicate is prepared to support this as soon as it is presented. We would, however, appreciate an expansion of 50 further representatives. The population of Rildanor is nearing 24 million people, one representative per hundred thousand persons seems anything but excessively democratic.
If this does not come to pass, 75 national representatives will be faced by 24 million angry knocks on their doors. |
| Date | 22:31:55, September 29, 2008 CET |
From |  Front Canrillaise | To | Debating the Egalité electorale (275 seats) | | Message | There have been past instances where there were ties; we can minimize this by having a simple odd number. Why is this difficult for you to understand? |
| Date | 00:20:44, September 30, 2008 CET |
From | Syndicat Anarchiste | To | Debating the Egalité electorale (275 seats) | | Message | Simple mathematics is beneath our revolutionary dialectic!
The Syndicate maintains that the number of representatives should, however, be easily converted to a percentage- we will compromise on the 250 v. 200 issue. If there are 200 reps., the percentage held by each party will be easily calculated by halving the number of seats they hold. This will aid the Syndicate when we run our "Ou ce vote passe, ou ta tête se casse" campaigns. |
| Date | 18:14:02, September 30, 2008 CET |
From | Syndicat Anarchiste | To | Debating the Egalité electorale (275 seats) | | Message | Could this be amended to require each party to field an equal number of female and male candidates? This would fight what the Syndicate considers the most insidious problem preventing equal representation in the Sénat- sexist party policies.
Female suffrage is well-established in Rildanor, so there is no threat of the male electorate manipulating the elections. Female candidacy would also democratize internal party structures and allow women to rise through party ranks. In addition, we believe the "one male, one female" representative policy would be unwieldly at the regional ad local levels, and would further segregate women in the political sphere. |
| Date | 21:48:56, September 30, 2008 CET |
From | Alliance Socialiste Conservateur | To | Debating the Egalité electorale (275 seats) | | Message | Given that it's been nearly two years and no progress on this bill, should we draft a new one that will see some movement? It seems that most of us agree that the mandatory female clause ought to be dropped, so we our only goal should be to decide on a final number. Anyone else agree? |
| Date | 07:47:49, October 01, 2008 CET |
From | Union des Femmes Chrétiennes | To | Debating the Egalité electorale (275 seats) | | Message | The purpose of this bill is to ensure a gender equality quotient. We are amenable to compromise on the point, thus the bill is in debate rather than at vote.
We would agree to the Syndicat's proposal for equality in party lists and a larger number of seats in the Sénat. Perhaps 275 is a good number to meet the point about an odd number. |
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| Vote |
Seats |
| yes | Total Seats: 78 |
| no | Total Seats: 0 |
| abstain | Total Seats: 22 |
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