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Bill: An Act Concerning the Ministry of the Environment

Details

Submitted by[?]: Ocean Submarine League of Progress

Status[?]: defeated

Votes: This bill proposes to change income taxes. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.

Voting deadline: April 2648

Description[?]:

Whereas this ministry receives no funding,

This Act seeks to remedy such.

The tax levied, if passed, would go directly to the Ministry. Notice that this is a very modest amount of money and is not new spending.

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date09:11:11, October 03, 2008 CET
FromMordusian Austrian Union
ToDebating the An Act Concerning the Ministry of the Environment
MessageWe can't understand Seawave's desire to rob our citizenry.

Date12:29:34, October 03, 2008 CET
FromUnion Party
ToDebating the An Act Concerning the Ministry of the Environment
MessageWe are not opposed to taxes, but why should the middle class pay the same as the rich? That is what we find insulting.

Date12:29:53, October 03, 2008 CET
FromUnion Party
ToDebating the An Act Concerning the Ministry of the Environment
MessageWe misread the numbers and will lend out support.

Date15:32:32, October 03, 2008 CET
FromFederal Republican Party (UCF)
ToDebating the An Act Concerning the Ministry of the Environment
MessageWe condemn the Seawave Party for willing to give the government WAY too much power and wanting to rob our citizens for absolutely NOTHING.

Date18:59:49, October 03, 2008 CET
FromOcean Submarine League of Progress
ToDebating the An Act Concerning the Ministry of the Environment
MessageSeawave are vexed by the criticism that taxation is somehow robbery. If by taxing, society improves through the addition of services, then that is not robbery, friends. That is common sense.

Date23:00:27, October 03, 2008 CET
FromAlliance Res Publica (UCF)
ToDebating the An Act Concerning the Ministry of the Environment
MessageIncome Tax is robbery.

Date08:52:12, October 04, 2008 CET
FromMordusian Austrian Union
ToDebating the An Act Concerning the Ministry of the Environment
MessageIf your neighbor comes to you at gunpoint and demands a certain amount of your income, even if he uses that money for good ends, it is still robbery. Taxation is exactly that -- government, established via a monopoly on law and violence, threatens the use of said violence unless the citizen coughs up a certain amount of money.

However, this money is then sent through an enormous and inefficient government bureaucracy, therefore creating deadweight loss, so that the money being put out is far less than the money being taken in, meaning it is an overall COST to society, not benefit. The private sector, however, does not have these problems.

Date03:04:39, October 06, 2008 CET
FromOcean Submarine League of Progress
ToDebating the An Act Concerning the Ministry of the Environment
MessageHow can government expect to serve people if people like yourselves and those you represent do not wish to serve government? The relationship between state and citizen is quid pro quo, and ought to be supported. Otherwise, you have no business serving in government in the first place.

Date03:59:08, October 06, 2008 CET
FromMordusian Austrian Union
ToDebating the An Act Concerning the Ministry of the Environment
MessageThe relationship between citizen and government is NEVER quid pro quo. The government is always and forever inefficient, coercive, and brutal. The Coalition does not serve government, it serves people; it serves the people by removing those who claim to be its masters -- government. Government can ONLY exist and rule through a monopoly on violence, "justice," and operates solely through coercion. Government is inherently immoral. Even the "good" things that can come out of it come out mangled, twisted, and with too many strings attached and too many skeletons in the closet.

Statism is tyranny.

Date05:25:49, October 06, 2008 CET
FromOcean Submarine League of Progress
ToDebating the An Act Concerning the Ministry of the Environment
MessageThat's incredibly hypocritical, leading a government while saying it is immoral. So, you'd sacrifice your morality to lead an immoral body?

Date06:07:21, October 06, 2008 CET
FromPatriciate Imperial League (UCF)
ToDebating the An Act Concerning the Ministry of the Environment
MessageWe thank Seawave for their modest proposal. The PIL does not agree that taxation is theft, but we also do not want our people paying ridiculous sums to the government. This proposal is an adequate balance.

Date21:32:35, October 06, 2008 CET
FromParty of the Wave (AU)
ToDebating the An Act Concerning the Ministry of the Environment
MessageThe Party of the Wave is surprised by the Datakja Coalition's staunch position that the government is corrupt and pointless. The Party of the Wave joined this nation in hopes of improving it and making it a better place for Mordusians to live. Yet we have arrived in this great nation to find a government uninterested in helping its citizens, and a majority leader who finds his position to be pointless. If the government is pointless, is that not the fault of those in power? If government is such a terrible institution, as the leader of this nation, should you not be doing something to fix it?

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Voting

Vote Seats
yes
     

Total Seats: 65

no
  

Total Seats: 78

abstain
 

Total Seats: 19


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