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Bill: Lex Magnum I

Details

Submitted by[?]: Kanjoran Imperial Party

Status[?]: defeated

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: October 2121

Description[?]:

R-C now!

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date20:42:31, October 03, 2005 CET
From Populist Liberal Party
ToDebating the Lex Magnum I
MessageWe won't support permanent martial law. Article 2 we could vote for under certain circumstances, but Article 1 is something we would never support.

Date22:53:41, October 03, 2005 CET
From Kanjoran People's Party
ToDebating the Lex Magnum I
MessageThere is absolutely no need for our police officers to be constantly carrying military grade equipment.

Date07:14:12, October 04, 2005 CET
From Populist Liberal Party
ToDebating the Lex Magnum I
MessageWe will give the KPP a chance to convince us of what harm it would do, but we might otherwise vote for it if alone in a bill as a way of showing good faith to the KIP.

In our view, the police should never be outgunned by criminals. We have to balance that against the feeling of oppression that might be felt by some law abiding citizens upon seeing the police with such arms, and we'd be inclined perhaps to figure that standard firearms tend to be sufficient in civilized countries.

But, given the good faith the KIP has shown, and given that we think it's a close call, we will support the police carrying military weapons issue if it is on its own in its own bill, unless the KPP can convince us it is not a close call.

Date00:15:12, October 05, 2005 CET
From Kanjoran People's Party
ToDebating the Lex Magnum I
MessageBecause it goes against the reasoning for separation of military and police. Military is shoot to kill no questions asked. The police are meant to police the Kanjoran populace within Kanjor. If we give them military assault rifles and grenade launchers innocent civilians will be killed. We will become a police-state in which the people must live in fear of their own police officers. If an officer misses his target with a standard firearm his new target is wounded/damaged. If he does so with an assult rifle that same mistaken target is blown away/dead/destroyed. Do we want to unnerve the people and make them see their own government as the enemy? Do they want to be shot in the streets?

Look in Iraq for example. Innocent people die there all the time from military grade equipment use in urban centers. Imagine if that were happening in Kanjo and our other densely populated cities.

Date00:29:51, October 05, 2005 CET
From Populist Liberal Party
ToDebating the Lex Magnum I
MessageActually, it's not the reason for the separation of police from the military, as rule by the military means martial law.

See, what I want is for *criminals* to be in deep fear of the police but innocents not to be. It's the balancing of the scales (maximizing criminal fear while minimizing the law-abiding public fear) that I'm still working on in my head.

Date01:47:28, October 05, 2005 CET
From Kanjoran People's Party
ToDebating the Lex Magnum I
MessageI believe if innocents are surrounded by men with assault rifles and other military paraphernalia it would create a deep fear in innocents. Especially since the likelihood there being innocent bystanders is greatly increased when you factor in the use of such dangerous weapons.

Date01:53:48, October 05, 2005 CET
From Populist Liberal Party
ToDebating the Lex Magnum I
MessageI think I'll lean against the proposal based on civilian fear and that no civilized real life nation seems to find it necessary for police to have military weapons.

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Total Seats: 117

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Total Seats: 482

abstain
 

Total Seats: 0


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