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Bill: Cabinet Proposal of July 2652
Details
Submitted by[?]: Great Darnussian Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill presents the formation of a cabinet. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. Traditionally, parties in the proposal vote yes, others (the opposition) vote no. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in and all parties in the proposal have voted yes, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 2653
Description[?]:
| Proposing a Cabinet |
Proposals
Article 1
The responsibilites of Head of Government will be conducted by the Surprise Party
Article 2
The responsibilites of Science and Technology will be conducted by the Surprise Party
Article 3
The responsibilites of Food and Agriculture will be conducted by the Great Darnussian Party
Article 4
The responsibilites of Environment and Tourism will be conducted by the Peoples Choise Union
Article 5
The responsibilites of Trade and Industry will be conducted by the Peoples Choise Union
Article 6
The responsibilites of Foreign Affairs will be conducted by the Peoples Choise Union
Article 7
The responsibilites of Internal Affairs will be conducted by the Peoples Choise Union
Article 8
The responsibilites of Finance will be conducted by the Peoples Choise Union
Article 9
The responsibilites of Defence will be conducted by the Great Darnussian Party
Article 10
The responsibilites of Justice will be conducted by the Peoples Choise Union
Article 11
The responsibilites of Infrastructure and Transport will be conducted by the Peoples Choise Union
Article 12
The responsibilites of Health and Social Services will be conducted by the Peoples Choise Union
Article 13
The responsibilites of Education and Culture will be conducted by the Peoples Choise Union
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 11:34:29, October 16, 2008 CET | From | Peoples Choise Union | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2652 |
| Message | doesn't this proposal gives the SP to less ministeries? |
| Date | 21:12:52, October 16, 2008 CET | From | Great Darnussian Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2652 |
| Message | yes, but he can be happy with the Head of Government :P |
| Date | 21:16:30, October 16, 2008 CET | From | Great Darnussian Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2652 |
| Message | i don't think that his proposal was very fair... for the Cabinet, you PCU will only have more ministries |
| Date | 22:08:11, October 16, 2008 CET | From | Peoples Choise Union | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2652 |
| Message | PCU will first discuss with it's current government partners before voting on this bill. |
| Date | 23:27:57, October 16, 2008 CET | From | Surprise Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2652 |
| Message | We're willing to discuss GDP's participation in government, but I think GDP needs to realize that it is not a "necessary" party to forming a majority, whereas PCU is. (Any two of the three largest parties make a majority). However, I am willing to discuss a permenant three-party coalition. I propose the following: 1) If the President is a member of the Coalition: - The Largest Party in the legislature, _other_ than the Head of State, will be Prime Minister and Defense Minister - The other party (neither Largest nor President) will be Foreign Minister and Defense Minister - The three parties will evenly divide the other Ministries, according to the arrangement. 2) If the Head of State is not a member of the Coalition: - The Largest Party will be Prime Minister - Second Largest will be Foreign Minister - Third Largest will be Defense and Finance Minister - The three parties will evenly divide the other Ministries, according to the arrangement. The other ministries are: Science and Technology Food and Agriculture Environment and Tourism Trade and Industry Internal Affairs Justice Infrastructure and Transport Health and Social Services Education and Culture SP would prefer three of the following four as its share: Science, Trade, Justice and Infrastructure. That leaves Food, Environment, Internal Affairs, Health, Education, and one of the ones from my prefered list, to divide between the two of you. It would be a largely unenforcable agreement, but I think it's a fair bit of goodwill on my part, and preserves both PCU and GDP (and myself) roles in the government according to performance (for the important positions) and consistency (for the lesser ones), so long as there are the four of us here, and none of us breaks the basic agreement (to RP the governance of the country responsibly, without regard to votes on other bills, where each party is free to vote their conscience for tactical, political, or moral conditions as they see fit.) |
| Date | 23:31:17, October 16, 2008 CET | From | Surprise Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2652 |
| Message | I should note that our "conspiracy" should also extend to controlling the Presidency. I have already set my campaign settings to endorce the PCU if my party fails to make the runoff election. I would appreciate it if PCU returned the favor, and GDP endorsed one or the other of us (presumably, it would prefer PCU, but I leave that to your choice). If GDP chooses to run its own candidate in the future, it's likely that you would both split the liberal votes, leaving me to face the OOP alone, but with proper cross-endorsements, it shouldn't matter who makes the runoff, the others will back the survivor - with the case of two of us making the runoff (for example, me vs. PCU) being left to free choice. |
| Date | 09:52:36, October 17, 2008 CET | From | Peoples Choise Union | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2652 |
| Message | I think the above mentioned agreement is more than fair. But for now, a three party government is not mathematically necessary. And the above proposed government is not in line with the conditions outlined by SP, so PCU will vote this bill away. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 61 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 240 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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