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Bill: Education privatization Act of 2656
Details
Submitted by[?]: Federal Republican Party (UCF)
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2660
Description[?]:
| The short lived public education system in Mordusia is a mess. The private sector assured low priced, high quality education for all, motivated by profit and regulated by competition. The government is again sticking its nose where it does not belong. In addition, public education can be subject to huge amounts of propaganda from the ruling parties. The FRP wishes to show our good grace by deleting this additional power the Senate has given to the government. Private higher education as well, is always more efficient and immensely superior in quality than government institutions. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Higher education institutions.
Old value:: The government maintains a system of universities, vocational schools, and colleges nationwide.
Current: The government maintains a system of universities, vocational schools, and colleges nationwide.
Proposed: The government does not maintain any forms of higher education.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The regulation of higher education.
Old value:: The government allows public and private higher education institutions to coexist with self-regulation for those that are private.
Current: The government allows private higher education but regulates it to meet nationally set standards.
Proposed: The government does not fund any public higher education institutions, permitting only private higher education institutions to exist.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Higher education tuition policy.
Old value:: The government fully subsidizes tuition.
Current: The government subsidizes higher education tuition to a certain amount, the rest is covered by the individual students. This includes scholarship programs.
Proposed: The government introduces means tested loans for higher education tuition, to be paid back by students after earnings reach a certain amount.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 20:46:36, October 26, 2008 CET | From | Union Party | To | Debating the Education privatization Act of 2656 |
| Message | We ask for proof that it is a mess. We ask for opponents of this bill for proof that it is in good hands. |
| Date | 02:36:45, October 27, 2008 CET | From | Patriciate Imperial League (UCF) | To | Debating the Education privatization Act of 2656 |
| Message | OOC: Ookay, well that statement is ridiculous. The FRP needs to stop saying they have proof of things. Nobody in this game has proof. We must debate political theory, rather than pretend we have facts. RP is fine, but it is pointless in this circumstance - you will continue to argue it is \"in a mess\", I will continue to argue it is better off now than it was before. Neither of us ACTUALLY has proof, so it is my word versus yours. IC: Article 3 would be disasterous to Mordusian society. If people do not even have a loan-scheme, nearly all people will be turned off the idea of a higher education. A poorly skilled workforce will be extremely damaging to our economy. Articles 1, 2 and 5 would also be a bad thing for Mordusian society. This current legislation does not ban private education, it merely allows the government to operate a public system side by side with private facilities. The purpose of these public facilities is to provide education to those who can generally not afford the high fees of a private institution. Considering private education has no regulation whatsoever, they can charge whatever fees they like. The legislation proposed in Article 5 prooves that these private facilities will run on a \"for-profit\" basis. They are there to make money, not to improve society. The public institutions, on the other hand, are run to provide education to the disadvantaged citizens of Mordusia. By giving these people an education, we are providing a much stronger work-force, which, no doubt, will have strong benefits for the economy. The PIL, however, supports Article 4. |
| Date | 15:25:37, October 27, 2008 CET | From | Federal Republican Party (UCF) | To | Debating the Education privatization Act of 2656 |
| Message | Article 3: Perhaps the PIL did not see that the proposed law excludes scholarships. The PIL is ignoring the laws of the market. Education is a commodity like any other. If there is a demand, there will be an offer because there will be a potential market and money to be made. The higher, most expensive universities are extremly exclusive, scholarships only make sure that they remain open to only the finest, this assures that the level remains high. The PIL is again, unfortunately, ignoring the laws of the market. It is a fallacy to think than when there is no government regulation, there is no regulation. There is always market regulation. of course, the schools can charge whatever price they want, but if nobody is willling to pay, they will not make a profit. As said previously, if there is a demand, there will be an offer, because there will be people willing to make money out of that demand. A public education system assures that there will be more regulation on private schhols, thus making them more expensive. Mordusia also maintains an extremly high GDP/C, which means that almost everybody in Mordusia has a high enough standard of living to pay for private education. The very few who cannot will be supported by the nation\'s charities and churches. The private sector is always a more efficient provider of goods and commodities than the state, and education, where the commodity is knowleadge, is no different. |
| Date | 18:20:17, October 27, 2008 CET | From | Mordusian Austrian Union | To | Debating the Education privatization Act of 2656 |
| Message | We will support this measure in its entirety. |
| Date | 18:41:29, October 27, 2008 CET | From | Party of the Wave (AU) | To | Debating the Education privatization Act of 2656 |
| Message | FRP: your idea of market regulation works fine on paper, but there is no proof anywhere in the world today that proves that it is right for education. The market SHOULD work like that, and if the market did, the PotW would completely 100% support a free market economy. However, for nations as large as Mordusia, this is not the case. Corruption runs rampant in corporations, and turning public education into a corporation is not the way to fix it. We are not at a stage in our evolution as a people where free market education is beneficial, and therefore, government should lend a helping hand. The PotW will not support. |
| Date | 18:44:41, October 27, 2008 CET | From | Federal Republican Party (UCF) | To | Debating the Education privatization Act of 2656 |
| Message | Does the PotW honestly think that there is less corruption in the government than in corporations? To answer to your statement, Mordusia has run without a public education system for some 30 years, and in those years, when the government was reduced solely to the security of our citizens, Mordusia experienced a HUGE gowth of nearly 1 trillion in its GDp and accordingly, in its GDP/C. The government is by nature corrupt, much more than corporations. |
| Date | 18:51:02, October 27, 2008 CET | From | Party of the Wave (AU) | To | Debating the Education privatization Act of 2656 |
| Message | Government is only corrupt when parties based on hypocrisy dominate it. They continue to run in elections and gain seats only to say the body they try so hard to gain ground in is useless. |
| Date | 12:03:46, October 28, 2008 CET | From | Federal Republican Party (UCF) | To | Debating the Education privatization Act of 2656 |
| Message | False. The FRP knows the government, regrdless of who runs it, is corrupt. For this reason, the FRP tries to limit the government. The PotW has not answered the fact that there has been a tremendous economical boom during ttotal free market reign in Mordusia. |
| Date | 12:43:16, October 28, 2008 CET | From | Party of the Wave (AU) | To | Debating the Education privatization Act of 2656 |
| Message | Could be due to inflation. The PotW would like to see if there is any data on that. If not, then that point cannot be taken into account. |
| Date | 16:28:50, October 28, 2008 CET | From | Federal Republican Party (UCF) | To | Debating the Education privatization Act of 2656 |
| Message | The current GDP is proof. it is now approx 9 trillion MDR, 30 years ago, it was 8 trillion. The PotW should know, as a basic rule of economics, that inflation occures with HIGH government spending. During capitalist rule and even today, when we maintain a free market budget, the government comprises only 6.21% of the GDP, this is hardly high spending. OOC: Although I can give you no statistics (none exist), in the current situation, inflation would be very low. |
| Date | 15:02:41, October 29, 2008 CET | From | Federal Republican Party (UCF) | To | Debating the Education privatization Act of 2656 |
| Message | Have the PIL and UP considered the points expressed by the FRP, have they come to a decision? |
| Date | 12:18:02, October 31, 2008 CET | From | Federal Republican Party (UCF) | To | Debating the Education privatization Act of 2656 |
| Message | We have ammended the bill to make it acceptable to the PIL, could the UP tell us if they agree with it? |
| Date | 19:54:47, November 01, 2008 CET | From | Ocean Submarine League of Progress | To | Debating the Education privatization Act of 2656 |
| Message | \"Does the PotW honestly think that there is less corruption in the government than in corporations? To answer to your statement, Mordusia has run without a public education system for some 30 years, and in those years, when the government was reduced solely to the security of our citizens, Mordusia experienced a HUGE gowth of nearly 1 trillion in its GDp and accordingly, in its GDP/C\" Correlation does not prove causation. That\'s the first rule of statistics. Just because the GDP may have experienced a \"HUGE gowth\" [sic] does not mean it is because there were no public schools. |
| Date | 03:56:46, November 02, 2008 CET | From | Super Friendship Coalition | To | Debating the Education privatization Act of 2656 |
| Message | \"Private higher education as well, is always more efficient and immensely superior in quality than government institutions.\" UC Berkeley is the fifth best college in the US, according to US News and World Report. Unless there are only 4 private colleges in existence... |
| Date | 14:16:43, November 02, 2008 CET | From | Union Party | To | Debating the Education privatization Act of 2656 |
| Message | The US does not exist on particracy IC. |
| Date | 22:07:34, November 02, 2008 CET | From | Super Friendship Coalition | To | Debating the Education privatization Act of 2656 |
| Message | OOC: Well, in debating political theory, the fact that \"private institutions all always better than public ones\" should always hold true, even in political computer simulations (the IC version of the real world, correct?) |
| Date | 01:13:15, November 03, 2008 CET | From | Union Party | To | Debating the Education privatization Act of 2656 |
| Message | OOC: True. If someone proposes a bill where it goes to local governments, I will support that. |
| Date | 18:17:33, November 03, 2008 CET | From | Party of the Wave (AU) | To | Debating the Education privatization Act of 2656 |
| Message | OOC: not to mention schools like the University of Virginia, UCLA, NYU, University of Texas, (as much as it hurts to say it) University of Florida, and UNC are some fantastic public schools that are better than many private schools |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 202 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 40 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 23 |
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