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Bill: Alcohol Beverages Bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: Partiya Natsional'noy Gordyy
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2122
Description[?]:
| We believe it's up to the stores if they want to sell alcoholic beverages. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy towards alcoholic beverages.
Old value:: Alcoholic beverages may be purchased only from licensed sales outlets, but consumed by anyone.
Current: Alcoholic beverages may be purchased only from licensed sales outlets, and can only be available to adults.
Proposed: Alcoholic beverages may be purchased and consumed anywhere, but only by adults.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The age at which a person is considered an adult (limited between 12 and 24).
Old value:: 18
Current: 18
Proposed: 16
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 20:30:12, October 05, 2005 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Alcohol Beverages Bill |
| Message | The government should not dictate that only adults can drink alcohol. |
| Date | 00:36:14, October 06, 2005 CET | From | Radical Conservative Party | To | Debating the Alcohol Beverages Bill |
| Message | Not cool, man. |
| Date | 07:38:50, October 06, 2005 CET | From | Partiya Natsional'noy Gordyy | To | Debating the Alcohol Beverages Bill |
| Message | Children with alcohol problems is cool, sir ? |
| Date | 16:39:27, October 06, 2005 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Alcohol Beverages Bill |
| Message | What are you talking about? Ensuring that children never taste alcohol until they're adults is how you create large numbers of alcoholics. Look at Continental Europe, where kids grow up drinking in moderation with the result that adults have a very sensible approach to drinking and compare it to the binge drinking systemic abuse of alcohol you get in the UK. Not only is your implication that drinking in youth leads to alcohol problems totally unsupported, the actual facts available entirely contradict your position. Is this because you just want to enforce your own morality on our nation? I.e., *you* don't like the idea of kids drinking so you want to make it the law that people have to live the way you want them to? |
| Date | 20:42:22, October 06, 2005 CET | From | Partiya Natsional'noy Gordyy | To | Debating the Alcohol Beverages Bill |
| Message | " What are you talking about? Ensuring that children never taste alcohol until they're adults is how you create large numbers of alcoholics. Look at Continental Europe, where kids grow up drinking in moderation with the result that adults have a very sensible approach to drinking and compare it to the binge drinking systemic abuse of alcohol you get in the UK." If true, does this mean you have to accept this ? Of course you can't prevent drinking for the full 100 %. We think we keep enough children from drinking. That's ok to us. "Not only is your implication that drinking in youth leads to alcohol problems totally unsupported, the actual facts available entirely contradict your position. Is this because you just want to enforce your own morality on our nation? I.e., *you* don't like the idea of kids drinking so you want to make it the law that people have to live the way you want them to? " Really, what a nonsense. If you look at the figures of Europe you'll see that drunk pupils is becoming a large problem. It is not morality but common sense which made us to propose this bill. |
| Date | 21:37:57, October 06, 2005 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Alcohol Beverages Bill |
| Message | "Look at Continental Europe, where kids grow up drinking in moderation with the result that adults have a very sensible approach to drinking ... If true, does this mean you have to accept this ? " It is possible for young people to drink in moderation. Once they get in the habit of drinking in moderation, the chances of having an alcohol abuse problem later in life are much reduced. We don't *have* to accept this, but we are quite happy to accept the facts. "Of course you can't prevent drinking for the full 100 %. " And we wouldn't want to. There is nothing more offensive to us than a self-righteous government that thinks it knows best and wants to control what the people can and can't do (for their own benefit, I'm sure...). "We think we keep enough children from drinking. That's ok to us." We don't doubt that 'that's ok to you'. You reveal your true intent here, you don't care about alcoholism or people's health, you don't like the idea of children drinking alcohol and that's all you're interested in. "Really, what a nonsense. If you look at the figures of Europe you'll see that drunk pupils is becoming a large problem." Please can you show us your sources for these 'figures of Europe' and can you show us how this problem is larger in countries where there is a culture of drinking from a young age against countries where people don't drink until they are adults? |
| Date | 06:51:49, October 07, 2005 CET | From | Horticultural Entelechy | To | Debating the Alcohol Beverages Bill |
| Message | With proper focus and education on the effects of drinking, and a normalization of the practice as opposed to the implementation of a taboo, the EH feels that lowering the age of majority and expanding the means in which alcohol can be distributed is a reasonable course. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 54 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 423 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 78 |
| Random fact: Real-life places should not be referenced in Particracy. |
| Random quote: "To punish the oppressors of humanity is clemency; to forgive them is barbarity." - Maximilien Robespierre |