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Bill: Humane Treatment from a Humane Nation Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Democractic Socialist Party of Lodamun
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 2124
Description[?]:
| Lodamun shall substantially reduce its power to torture, humiliate, and otherwise dehumanize all prisoners of war including so-called "terrorist combatants". |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy regarding the treatment of prisoners of war.
Old value:: Prisoners of war are treated according to the national laws of the captor power.
Current: Prisoners of war must be treated well, according to internationally-accepted standards.
Proposed: Prisoners of war are immediately returned to their own government.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 21:26:10, October 06, 2005 CET | From | CNT/AFL | To | Debating the Humane Treatment from a Humane Nation Act |
| Message | Supported enthusiastically - this will be a first of its kind on Terra, Lodamun may finally get the recognition it deserves as a bastion of civil rights. |
| Date | 22:26:51, October 06, 2005 CET | From |  Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Humane Treatment from a Humane Nation Act |
| Message | So we are to send those who fight against Lodamun immediately back to the front line? This is absolutely insane. |
| Date | 22:46:48, October 06, 2005 CET | From | Democractic Socialist Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the Humane Treatment from a Humane Nation Act |
| Message | I'd like to, before this bill pasees, create an international treaty saying along the lines that in order to have a prisoner of war returned, they must promise not to send them back into the military. |
| Date | 23:55:17, October 06, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Humane Treatment from a Humane Nation Act |
| Message | Draft it, and ask our esteemed foreign minister to submit it to the treaties page. The foreign minister is very obliging about such things. |
| Date | 00:12:42, October 07, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Humane Treatment from a Humane Nation Act |
| Message | or, click here for an existing treaty: http://82.238.75.178:8085/particracy/main/viewtreaty.php?treatyid=57 |
| Date | 01:21:12, October 07, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Humane Treatment from a Humane Nation Act |
| Message | "Immediately" This is what we object to. Why don't we send POWs back once hostilities have ended? To do so beforehand is irresponsible, and even if they "promise not to send them back to the military"--How can we trust a nation at war with us? |
| Date | 06:19:42, October 07, 2005 CET | From | Democractic Socialist Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the Humane Treatment from a Humane Nation Act |
| Message | 1. Prisoners of war shall only be returned to their homeland immediately if and when: a. Their country of origin promises that the soldier shall never be drafted into the military until the conflict is over and a peace treaty has been agreed upon by both nations. b. The conflict is over and a peace treaty has been agreed upon by all nations. 2. All foreign combatants captured by the People’s Republic of Lodamun and any other nation who ratifies this treaty shall be treated well based on internationally set standards until they are released home. 3. If the enemy nation fails to comply with previously ratified treaties on the treatment of prisoners of war, military treaties, or economic treaties, it gives any nation in compliance the right to hold their prisoners until whenever they see fit (but no later than immediately after peace has been restored between the two parties) Article 1: Proposal to change the government's policy regarding the treatment of prisoners of war. Proposed: Prisoners of war are immediately returned to their own government. this is something like the treaty I'd like to propose. |
| Date | 06:23:03, October 07, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Humane Treatment from a Humane Nation Act |
| Message | To trust the word of a nation we are at war with, is simply insane. No party that vote in favor of this bill will ever recieve TiC support for minister of defense. |
| Date | 06:29:35, October 07, 2005 CET | From | Democractic Socialist Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the Humane Treatment from a Humane Nation Act |
| Message | If America can have John Bolton as UN ambassador, I can be minister of defense. and I don't even have a silly mustache. |
| Date | 06:37:34, October 07, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Humane Treatment from a Humane Nation Act |
| Message | Not with my vote. Somewhere else, fine. Not a pacifist defending the nation though. |
| Date | 09:15:06, October 07, 2005 CET | From | Lodamun Centre-Left Coalition | To | Debating the Humane Treatment from a Humane Nation Act |
| Message | Uh, considering there's already a similar treaty, I'd rather not propose it. |
| Date | 09:24:04, October 07, 2005 CET | From | Democractic Socialist Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the Humane Treatment from a Humane Nation Act |
| Message | Mine is tailor-made for this bill though. The other isn’t well written either. |
| Date | 10:38:52, October 07, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Humane Treatment from a Humane Nation Act |
| Message | This bill is still insane. We simply cannot trust every single nation in the world, especially not those that would attack us. |
| Date | 18:33:29, October 07, 2005 CET | From | National People's Gang | To | Debating the Humane Treatment from a Humane Nation Act |
| Message | How can TiC suggest there will be any POWs? There entire defence strategy is based on a nuclear deterrent, they don't plan to take any prisoners. |
| Date | 18:36:58, October 07, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Humane Treatment from a Humane Nation Act |
| Message | "The NSP realizes that this was an act of war and crimes against humanity, we did it anyway." |
| Date | 19:25:02, October 07, 2005 CET | From | Democractic Socialist Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the Humane Treatment from a Humane Nation Act |
| Message | "This bill is still insane. We simply cannot trust every single nation in the world, especially not those that would attack us." thats why theres the plank saying that we can, for lack of better word, hold their POW's hostage for negotiations if they break this or any previous treaties. |
| Date | 21:37:11, October 07, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Humane Treatment from a Humane Nation Act |
| Message | Do you forsee Lodamun pursuing a war of aggression with another nation? I for one, will oppose one, as I believe the other parties here will as well. If we are involved in a war, it will be due to foreign aggression, and we simply should not trust someone willing to attack us. |
| Date | 05:46:53, October 10, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Humane Treatment from a Humane Nation Act |
| Message | As declaration of peace is set to pass, and it is reasonable to assume that we cannot trust an aggressor who attacks us, I urge all parties to vote against this bill. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 135 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 122 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 43 |
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