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Bill: Sexual Education(true).
Details
Submitted by[?]: Partiya Nacionalnogo Progressa
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2042
Description[?]:
Last version without proposal :(
Children wonder, looking at prostitutes, which walk on the streets, and at pornography journals, which are selled freely, because "government shouldn't talk people what to do". We need to give children a guide in that new life.
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Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Sexual education in schools.
Old value:: This decision is up to the schools themselves without government regulation.
Current: Schools have an obligation to give sexual education at some point in puberty.
Proposed: Schools have an obligation to give sexual education at some point in puberty.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
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From | | To | Debating the Sexual Education(true). | | Message | Sexual education is good. We are supporting sexual education in all schools. We also encourage all parents to talk to their children about sex, which is also important sexual education. But why should the government dictate the content of every school's education? |
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From | | To | Debating the Sexual Education(true). | | Message | What "three"? And you can't throw people out just because you disagree with them. The game would be very boring after a while if there was no one being against the new regulations. |
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From |  Partiya Nacionalnogo Progressa | To | Debating the Sexual Education(true). | | Message | You didn't understand me.
Three is TCP, PNP and UCA. And i think, we all understand.
You repeat only one idea from bill to bill, tell us something new, please :)
In example, if I make a bill - "ban clerics in the schools" - you repeat it once more.
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From | Liberal Party of Telamon | To | Debating the Sexual Education(true). | | Message | and by the way, could you go to the forums and say something cos its kinda gay just having UAC there, i mean i say somthin bout him and hookers and he gets all bitchy |
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From | | To | Debating the Sexual Education(true). | | Message | There is nothing new to tell you. People with too much power and too much money that they have not earned and that itch to use both are the root of all evil in the state. |
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From | United Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the Sexual Education(true). | | Message | TCP: it is boring just having me there on the forum, it just wasn't necessary to have a 'personal attack' certainly attack my politics and policies themselves by all means.
We fully support this bill as we feel that the problem of unwanted pregnancies and STDs is becoming so great that the government needs to act. The government is not dictating the content of every schoold education, it is simply identifying that there is a major problem with STDs etc, and that education is the best way to tackle this. It is not dictating how and when schools teach Sex Education, only that they must do so at some point. We are therefore happy with this bill (so long as an exception can be made for faith schools who can demonstrate clearly that they really object to the teaching of sexual education on religious grounds |
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From | | To | Debating the Sexual Education(true). | | Message | UCA: Your position on this is rather funny, if you excuse me saying it. You vote for a law, but promise to make exceptions (outside of game) in all cases were the law makes a difference. That way the law you make does not reflect the ideology that it is supposed to express. |
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From | United Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the Sexual Education(true). | | Message | The reason for the exceptions (OOC: which probably are on reflection rather foolish) was that if you recall last Parliament I introduced this proposal along with my Abortion Act but it was shouted down by if I remember correctly, most of the other parties for being anti religious. Let truth be told I am happy with a bill without exceptions as I believe that there is such as teen pregnancy and sexual health crisis that government intervention in education is warranted. To be honest as well, I would estimate (though could be wrong) that the number of overtly religious schools attatched to religious institutions would be a relatively small proportion of the schools in our country and therefore making exceptions to them would not in fact make much of a difference as they would have to prove conclusively that the teaching of sexual education was offensive to their religion (OOC: not even sure that it would be possible to conclusively prove this?). Therefore, to clarify generally, we do support this law with or without exceptions I was just trying to accommodate the opposition that I recieved last time (but that doesn't seem necessary as there is a majority in favour). |
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From | | To | Debating the Sexual Education(true). | | Message | Thanks. So you are consistent and PNP are the ones who have changed their ideas.
But recalling your previous reply (not controlling content) I see that you and my great-aunt might be friends after all. She has a catholic school, and has long been lobbying on the school board that they should have sexual education. Specifically they'd be teaching that the use of contraceptives is a sin becaues if the Lord wants you to have a child then you should not resist that. |
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From | United Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the Sexual Education(true). | | Message | That's a problem that I hadn't actually thought about!! OOC: I'm a Catholic and have no problem with the use of contraception. Although recalling my reply that you are referring to I said we would not dictate HOW and WHEN they teach sex education not WHAT they teach. Having said this it is not for the government to tell them what the 'correct' line is so if they wanted to teach that contraception is a sin then we cannot stop that, but they should also teach the other side of the argument so to speak (otherwise they are not a responsible school). |
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From | | To | Debating the Sexual Education(true). | | Message | OOC: The great aunt was invented for the character, she doesn't exist OOC. But she probably would.
The point of the example, though, was that if you try to make regulations that are not dictates they might as well work the opposite way of your intention. Not all people are responsible in the sense that you mean, and those who are not will see themselves as responsible and you/us as not. Either you want a dictate, or you can accept that my great aunt has her way without intervention. |
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From | United Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the Sexual Education(true). | | Message | Realise that your great aunt didn't exist (was more interested in seeing what you would say about the Pope!!!). Guidelines and regulations should be there to provide a standard to which people should adhere, in order to teach that contraception is a sin they would have to teach about contraception it therefore leaves it open to people to make up my own mind. I was certainly not suggesting that there would not be an enforcible minimum which should be taught only that schools would not be dictated to in exactly HOW they taught it and WHEN they taught it. There is a limit to what a government can do in a private education system other than to provide standards to which it recommends schools should adhere and then let people decide (i.e. people do contrary to what you sometimes seem to suggest value the advice of the government, if a school is not meeting a government standard and obligation to give sex education then as the school is private the government should not shut it down, but it can publicise this fact which may be factored by people into their decision about which school to place their child in etc, |
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