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Bill: Mil.0006.2695
Details
Submitted by[?]: 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō)
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2697
Description[?]:
| As our military is more than large enough to both defend the Federation and project force we feel it prudent to shrink certain areas of it and distribute it to our allies and non-aggressor countries who may be interested in purchasing equipment. Equipment listed under 'other allies' shall be distributed through successive legislation. Equipment to be distributed. Kazulia; - 2 Ballisitc missile submarines - 2 Attack submarines - 5 C-130 Herculese - 20 JAS-39 Gripen's - 10 Su-34 Fullback's - 10 Su-47 Berkut's - 10 EC-120B Colibri's Lourenne; - 3 Aircraft carriers - 2 Ballistic missile submarines - 2 Attack Submarines - 20 A-10 Thunderbolt's - 10 C-17 Globemaster's - 30 MiG-29G Fulcrum's - 20 F/A-18 Super Hornet's - 10 Su-34 Fullback's - 20 AH-64 Apache's - 10 EC-120B Colibri's - 40 T-45 Goshawk's Other Allies; - 5 Aircraft carriers - 2 Ballistic missile submarines - 2 Attack submarines - 10 A-10 Thunderbolt's - 5 C-17 Globemaster's - 30 MiG-29G Fulcrum's - 10 JAS-39 Gripen's - 10 F/A-18 Super Hornet's - 15 Su-34 Fullback's - 20 Su-47 Berkut's - 10 AH-64 Apache's - 10 EC-120B Colibri's - 30 T-45 Goshawk's Shiratoku militia; - 1 Aircraft carrier - 1 Ballistic missile submarine - 1 Attack submarine - 10 A-10 Thunderbolt's - 5 C-5 Galaxies - 20 MiG-29G Fulcrum's - 10 JAS-39 Gripen's - 20 F/A-18 Super Hornet's - 20 AH-64 Apache's - 10 EC-120B Colibri's - 10 AS-350 Ecureil's - 10 T-45 Goshawk's Sale - 5 Aircraft carriers - 3 Ballistic missile submarines - 3 Attack submarines - 10 A-10 Thunderbolt's - 5 C-17 Globemater's - 20 MiG-29G Fulcrum's - 10 JAS-39 Gripen's - 15 Su-34 Fullback's - 20 Su-47 Berkut's - 10 EC-120B Colibri's - 20 T-45 Goshawk's |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 03:06:07, January 14, 2009 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Mil.0006.2695 |
| Message | OOC: I'd been planning to do something like this even before the whole invasion thing. Originally I'd only planned o having a 3,000 aircraft air force, however since most of our air force is helicopters and U/CAV's my goal is down to 4,000, which admittedly this misses by about 600 aircraft. |
| Date | 04:22:28, January 14, 2009 CET | From | Am Echad, Pays Libre | To | Debating the Mil.0006.2695 |
| Message | We would like to know how much it would cosy to buy most of these. |
| Date | 05:22:48, January 14, 2009 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Mil.0006.2695 |
| Message | Beiyteynu is forbidden from ever receiving any military equipment from Sekowo as it is classified as an aggressor nation. |
| Date | 06:09:06, January 14, 2009 CET | From | Am Echad, Pays Libre | To | Debating the Mil.0006.2695 |
| Message | For What Reasons? |
| Date | 19:33:18, January 14, 2009 CET | From | Central Union of Trade and Economy | To | Debating the Mil.0006.2695 |
| Message | Beiteynu lost all their lands at Squibble to Deltaria, so I doubt they can be clasified as aggressor nation. They also lost some of their vessels too, so they would have use for them. We would support selling them to Beiteynu. |
| Date | 20:49:07, January 14, 2009 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Mil.0006.2695 |
| Message | Beiyteynu was one of the first nations to line up to 'purchase' not only our military but states from the treacherous scum that tried to destroy us. Beyond that Beiyteynu is one of our historical enemies anyways. |
| Date | 23:41:02, January 14, 2009 CET | From | Am Echad, Pays Libre | To | Debating the Mil.0006.2695 |
| Message | We didnt because no one very put the bill to vote so the lands are still ours. |
| Date | 19:38:58, January 15, 2009 CET | From | Free Workers Party | To | Debating the Mil.0006.2695 |
| Message | sell to them take their money for the workers! |
| Date | 16:46:59, January 16, 2009 CET | From | HaLeumit Tikvah | To | Debating the Mil.0006.2695 |
| Message | "We should point out that the Beiteynuese Government or any Beiteynuese private organisation has never attempted to for bid for any military equipments or states of Sekowo. Several Beiteynuese Private Organisation did try to buy scientific installations, however the Government rejected their request for a loan, so holding us responsible for it is a flawed assessment. Additonally, we question how democratic Sekowo is if the DSP is allowed to simply declare that Beiteynu is forbidden from buying in your clearout sale, when quite clearly it is a decision of the entire government. Finally, we take umbridge with the our classification as 'historic enemies'. Apart from the fact that we have never been to war, recognised the legitimacy of your ownership of Squibble Minor and never challenged your land claims elsewhere, the idea of 'historic enemies' seems to us to be an idea similar to ones used by totalitarian states to keep their oppressed masses focused on an external enemy rather than focusing on their real problems. Is Sekowo in such a state that it requires these measures? If it is, we would suggest it focuses on those nations who actually did attempt to buy elements of the Sekowan economy (there are, after all, a lot to choose from) rather than a nation half the World away without the motivation or capacity to strike at Sekowo. You have a surplus, we have a demand. It is really be as simple as that." -Joshua ben Eliezer |
| Date | 17:35:29, January 16, 2009 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Mil.0006.2695 |
| Message | The Secretary of Foreign Affairs (at the time) has the authority to bar sales of military weapons. OOC: Blame CZP. |
| Date | 19:19:52, January 16, 2009 CET | From | HaLeumit Tikvah | To | Debating the Mil.0006.2695 |
| Message | OOC: To be honest if you're basing this on a personal dislike, which as far as I'm aware you are, then I'm going to blame you as well. My apologies if you do have legitimate reasons, and for a long time there were several for barring sale to Beiteynu. But now an OOC dislike seems to be the only reason for us to be in dispute, and I'm not going to have diplomatic relations set by that. |
| Date | 19:27:20, January 16, 2009 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Mil.0006.2695 |
| Message | OOC: No, I don't actually dislike CZP, but he has spearheaded alot of things that were either explicitly against us or were indirectly against us, that's where the animosity comes from IC. |
| Date | 22:25:14, January 16, 2009 CET | From | HaLeumit Tikvah | To | Debating the Mil.0006.2695 |
| Message | OOC: Ok, fair enough, apologies for the confusion, I had always assumed there was some bad blood from when he was in Sekowo. |
| Date | 23:41:05, January 16, 2009 CET | From | Am Echad, Pays Libre | To | Debating the Mil.0006.2695 |
| Message | OOC: Me too. Also you cannot forget about the good things I have done for sekwo like bringing trans' and sccepting Tropica as yous, which BTW you never brough you end of teh deal. |
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| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 366 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 0 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 234 |
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