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Bill: Ecology improvements
Details
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2706
Description[?]:
| To improve eceolgy, as many of the replanted trees will not grow to become developed trees. If two or three trees are replanted for each felled, then the forests will stay as full, and hopefully expand - good for both the logging companies futures, the local enviroment (endangered species, and wildlife), peoples enoyment (walking and cycling), and the world-wide enviroment (climate change, CO2 reduction) |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy on tree plantation.
Old value:: The government requires tree plantation at replacement level for all logging or clearance operations.
Current: The government does not intervene with regard to the replantation of trees.
Proposed: The government requires tree plantation at higher than replacement levels for all logging or clearance operations.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 19:17:04, February 03, 2009 CET | From | Christian Democrat Party | To | Debating the Ecology improvements |
| Message | Too many trees being planted can be a disadvantage too. If there are so many that they all block each other's lights and steal each others nutrients, then that will be worst for the environment. |
| Date | 21:20:29, February 03, 2009 CET | From | Neo Kanist Rite Party of Sorbanika | To | Debating the Ecology improvements |
| Message | It does seem a bit unneccessary to plant more trees than are being removed. If there are areas on which we specifically want to increase the amount of trees then fair enough we should plant more trees, but we see this bill as being a little over the top. |
| Date | 00:23:14, February 04, 2009 CET | From | TW@ | To | Debating the Ecology improvements |
| Message | Christian democrat party: What you are saying is true in extreme cercumstances, however you have to think of the wider picture. Many of these trees being replanted are failing, but even so the logging companies have done as is neccecary of them, and can leave these trees dead. This would reduce this happening a lot. There are also a large number of ilegitemate logging companies, which do not do this at all. This must be made up in some way, and this is the only way. How would you feel in a world with no trees |
| Date | 10:51:22, February 04, 2009 CET | From | Neo Kanist Rite Party of Sorbanika | To | Debating the Ecology improvements |
| Message | If ,as the TW@ party claims, many of the replanted trees are failing we do not think that planting more trees is neccessarily the solution to this problem. There must be a reason for this failure, ie bad soil etc, it is therefore much more intelligent to take more care when planting these trees, if we are careful about how and where we plant them then less of them will fail, we will therefore not have to plant huge amounts of trees. There is also a fundamental problem with this proposal. If a logging company fells say 300 trees in an area of forest 1 mile square then your proposal would require them to replant a larger number, e.g 500 trees. If there is only room and nutrients in this area for 300 trees then planting 500 trees would result in an even larger failure than just replacing the 300 trees would. If to counter this problem you propose that we replace the trees that have been felled and then plant more trees in a completely different place, then that is a completely new issue. That would mean that we would be effectively creating new forests, an unneccessary and time consuming thing to do if you ask us, we already think that we have enough forests in this nation. We know that there are some illegitimate logging companies who do not replant their own trees but we do not think that the legitmate logging companies planting more trees then they fell will help this, we would merely end up with some areas of forest which have too many trees and other areas which will have no trees at all, because the legitimate logging companies would only be required to replant trees in the area that they have been logging. In reply to the TW@s last question, we would hate to live in a world without trees, but if this bill were not to be passed then that would not be the case. In theory the idea of this bill is good, but in practice it is impractical and will actually not make much difference at all. The NKRP will be voting against this bill, we suggest that other parties really think about what this bill entails and whether it would catually make as much of a difference as it may appear to make. |
| Date | 14:42:26, February 04, 2009 CET | From | Christian Democrat Party | To | Debating the Ecology improvements |
| Message | The NKRP have made very good points. We call upon the National Front and Principality to recognise that although this sounds like a bill to help the environment, it actually is unreliable and unlikely to help. If this goes through, we shall consider tabling a vote for its reversal. |
| Date | 15:37:58, February 05, 2009 CET | From | Free thinking Party | To | Debating the Ecology improvements |
| Message | if our party could have voted, we would have sided with the NKRP and CDP as the other parties seem to be abit lacking in their geography skills... |
| Date | 18:15:38, February 05, 2009 CET | From | Neo Kanist Rite Party of Sorbanika | To | Debating the Ecology improvements |
| Message | The Free Thinking party seem to be making a habit of turning up late to votes and missing them..... |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 271 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 182 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 213 |
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