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Bill: Imperial Mandate #0007 - Unification & Term Limits
Details
Submitted by[?]: Federal Coalition
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 2715
Description[?]:
| This bill asks for the ratification of the <a href="viewtreaty.php?treatyid=1370">Union of Luthori & Alduria</a>. If this treaty is ratified, it becomes binding and will define national law. Failure to ratify the Act of Union will be considered hostile to the Imperial Throne and an act of treason against the nation of Alduria. |
Proposals
Article 1
Ratify the Union of Luthori & Alduria.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The length of a legislative and executive term, in months. Should be between 24 and 72.
Old value:: 72
Current: 48
Proposed: 32
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 05:09:17, February 20, 2009 CET | From | Federal Coalition | To | Debating the Imperial Mandate #0007 - Unification & Term Limits |
| Message | Is the ALC aware of the ramifications their vote has on their long-term political viability in the post-Union Alduria? We hope your party's leaders will reconsider their vote against this historic and monumental piece of legislation. |
| Date | 11:23:08, February 20, 2009 CET | From | Aldurian Green Party | To | Debating the Imperial Mandate #0007 - Unification & Term Limits |
| Message | This will not last very long and so we urge the federal coalition to vote no and cease being traitors to Alduria. |
| Date | 11:38:55, February 20, 2009 CET | From | Aldurian Green Party | To | Debating the Imperial Mandate #0007 - Unification & Term Limits |
| Message | Section 2, subsection i is unconstitutional a vote of 50% WILL be sufficient to remove this treaty. (ooc: game mechanics overrides this attempt at making it more difficult to withdraw.) |
| Date | 12:15:16, February 20, 2009 CET | From | Imperial Conservative Union (IA) | To | Debating the Imperial Mandate #0007 - Unification & Term Limits |
| Message | It says that, however it then says that the UNION WILL TAKE A VOTE OF 2/3S TO END EVEN IF THE TREATY IS TAKEN DOWN WITH A VOTE OF 50%. |
| Date | 13:54:16, February 20, 2009 CET | From | Aldurian Green Party | To | Debating the Imperial Mandate #0007 - Unification & Term Limits |
| Message | That is just semantics, the treaty is the union and so 50% means both are DONE. |
| Date | 14:55:27, February 20, 2009 CET | From | Federal Coalition | To | Debating the Imperial Mandate #0007 - Unification & Term Limits |
| Message | This piece of legislation is for the betterment of both our nations and will lead Alduria into a new, brighter future. We fail to see the validity in the SSS's accusations that the leaders of the Federal Coalition are "traitors". On the contrary, we are providing the framework for the return to Alduria's glory days, hardly a traitorous act. If there must be a traitor within the Imperial Assembly, it would be those parties opposed to the Act of Union! |
| Date | 20:34:51, February 20, 2009 CET | From | Imperial Conservative Union (IA) | To | Debating the Imperial Mandate #0007 - Unification & Term Limits |
| Message | OOC: SSS, you have to follow what it is, and that is a Constitutional Amendment. That while the Treaty by game mechanics, because there is nothing else I could use but a Treaty to do this, can be taken down with 50% vote, the fact is that since it is a Constitutional Vote it will take 2/3s. So even if it goes, we will continue to say and will continue to play as if the Union is on. IC: You call the Emperor a Traitor and a Tyrant. The Economy that you destroyed SSS, was rebuilt by the Emperor's plan. The Emperor has kept the leadership, the Head of State of this nation to be an elected official. He has kept every single word. Now he is on his death bed, as age has fallen caught up to him. While you can continue to argue over the fact that this is wrong and stupid, you have yet to state why other than the fact that those that disagree with you are evil and god damn fools. The next Emperor reign will be short, due to his age, but the one following will usher in a new age. Even you can not disagree the powerhouse Alduria was under Philippe II. Now that we are so close, and the Economy is finally at the top again, you can not dare to stand there and say that it is wrong. That the Emperor has been evil or unjust. What has the Emperor done but keep his word and allow the people to rule themselves while helping to protect them and serve as an idol for them to look to and for their leader to go to when he needs help. The only thing he has done is disagree with you. Which sounds an awful lot like you want to be Dictator, since you don’t want the people to be happy, you just want them serving you and your views. This nation is self rule in this Union, with even its Military still under its command. All this so called Union is, is a Strong alliance. You sir, are just anti-Alduria, for you don't want Alduria to be powerful, for then you fear the people will not want you as their leader, and thus meaning you will never be able to be dictator. This Government has kept its promises to the people and even to you. So why not before condemning something for no reason other than the fact that you feel it might keep you from having power, and give it a god damn chance. This Union will be the height of power, and with both nations combined, nothing can stand in our way. Yet you think this will make Luthori ruler of Alduria. Would you rather have the Emperor come to Alduria. For that can very easily be arranged and then well by your book, then Luthori will be under Alduria. The two have been allies for now 200 years, and the Emperor has rebuilt this nation. Try to think of what the people want, and what is best for the nation before putting your self serving needs before theirs. The time for a new age is here, and it is waiting for those fools from the past that believe their conservative ways will save them are doing nothing more than bring down this nation. Vive Alduria, and Vive the Union. |
| Date | 00:22:40, February 21, 2009 CET | From | Aldurian Green Party | To | Debating the Imperial Mandate #0007 - Unification & Term Limits |
| Message | I fail to see how the the aldurian economy has been improved by your plan. You have always called for increased spending and favored corporate taxes and yet alduria has done the opposite by cutting spending in half and eliminating corporate taxes. |
| Date | 04:02:24, February 21, 2009 CET | From | Imperial Conservative Union (IA) | To | Debating the Imperial Mandate #0007 - Unification & Term Limits |
| Message | Who is to say that was not Henry's plan. The facts are, that every time the Imperial Government has been in command, the economy does well. Everytime you take over it goes into the shit whole. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes |
Total Seats: 501 | ||
| no | Total Seats: 0 | ||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: "OOC", "IC" and "IG" are commonly-used acronyms in Particracy. "OOC" refers to comments, discussions and actions which are out-of-character, meaning they are done player-to-player rather than party-to-party. "IC" refers to in-character interactions (ie. party-to-party). Similarly, "IG" means in-game, although this term may also simply refer to what happens in the actual game interface, as opposed to on the forum or elsewhere. "RP" just means "role-play". |
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