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Bill: Creation of the New Ministries
Details
Submitted by[?]: Coalition for National Unity [CNU]
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 2731
Description[?]:
| I, Grace Kennedy Supreme President elected, do hereby authorise the creation of the following New Ministerial Departments to be alligned and equal with the present Departments. Department for Thought, Spirituality and Faith (To deal with matters of Religion and Civil Liberties) Department for Security and Intelligence (To deal with threats to National Security) Department for Communities and Local Government (To deal with Devolution programmes) Department of Diplomacy and Peace (To replace the current Ministry for Peace) Department for The Majatran Question (To deal with matters of the Majatran Continent) Department for the Civil Service (To deal with matters regarding Administration of Government) Department of Public Unity (To promote and encourage the Solentian people's union) Department of Subterranean, Aquatic and Extraterran Affairs (To deal with all matters underground, in the oceans or with space programmes) Department for Mining Operations (To deal with Mining and drilling operations, excluding Oil rigging which comes under the Department for Subterranean, Aquatic and Extraterran Affairs) Department for the Metropolitan Police (To deal with the Police) This conforms with National Law allowing a President to create offices as he/she sees fit. I shall have the house pass appointments to those offices in due course. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 23:46:19, February 22, 2009 CET | From | National Zeus Party | To | Debating the Creation of the New Ministries |
| Message | While some of these are good ideas we feel that a few are redundant and unnecessary. Such as Security and Intelligence, this is already apart of the defense ministry is it not? Community and Local Government is apart of Internal Affairs from my understanding. We should avoid too much bureaucracy it simply clogs the government up in our opinion. Marcus Aldridge NZP Official |
| Date | 23:52:39, February 22, 2009 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Creation of the New Ministries |
| Message | We agree with a lack of Bureaucracy if possible. However, the idea of the Defence Department we always felt was the running of the Military, whilst Intelligence services are a much more delicate and fine art that should be in the hands of the experts. As far as Internal Affairs goes, we always felt that the Internal Department was responsible more for the running of the nation government, wheras the new Communities and Local Government would be more about devolution and more importantly, harmony, such as equality, race issues and combatting (or promoting depending on the administration) segregation. |
| Date | 23:54:06, February 22, 2009 CET | From | Federal Independent Party | To | Debating the Creation of the New Ministries |
| Message | The creation of departments is not a given power of the Supreme President. Supreme President Kennedy has no power vested in her to create these departments, this is out of the question. The only way a new department can be added to the federal government, in a cabinet selection for example, is if the Senate gives the Supreme President the approval to do so. These departments will be subject to immense partisanship, as they are all Conservative and Morality Party entities, and will see out the centralization of power into the hands of one party. Most likely, I can presume, the appointed heads of these departments will be CMP politicians, which is an even stronger push for partisanship. This is not a legal action and if this is not reversed immediately, a call for the Ministry of Justice to take action will be initiated. If this is ignored, further actions will be taken to save the Federal Republic from departments solely created to benefit the CMP. FIP Majority Leader Helios Jerillio |
| Date | 23:59:23, February 22, 2009 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Creation of the New Ministries |
| Message | The Bill is a debate Mr. Jerillio, as you can see from our dicsussions with the National Zeus Party. It will be going to vote as any other act would. I find the notion that we would do otherwise, insulting and entirely ignorant on yor behalf. I am surprised you haven't learned after 250 years of living alongside us, that the CMP does everything by Mandate. Furthermore, To suggest that the CMP is partisan after the FIP have held a monopoly of power for years in this country, both through the presidency and through the cabinet is frankly, laughable. |
| Date | 00:11:14, February 23, 2009 CET | From | People's Liberation Army of Solentia | To | Debating the Creation of the New Ministries |
| Message | We find this to be terribly redundant. Most of these already fall under a Ministry that we already have. There are the two that the NZP questioned, and then the following: Department of Subterranean, Aquatic and Extraterran Affairs (To deal with all matters underground, in the oceans or with space programmes) - Ministry of Science Department of Diplomacy and Peace (To replace the current Ministry for Peace) Department for The Majatran Question (To deal with matters of the Majatran Continent) ^ Both of those can be handled by the Foreign Ministry Department for Mining Operations (To deal with Mining and drilling operations, excluding Oil rigging which comes under the Department for Subterranean, Aquatic and Extraterran Affairs) - Trade and Industry Ministry Department for the Metropolitan Police (To deal with the Police) - Also Internal Ministry Department of Public Unity (To promote and encourage the Solentian people's union) - Seems like government trying to force the people to be patriotic and supportive. Department for Thought, Spirituality and Faith (To deal with matters of Religion and Civil Liberties) - As for this one, we strong believe in Separation of Church and State, and this is just unacceptable by our standards |
| Date | 00:14:20, February 23, 2009 CET | From | Federal Independent Party | To | Debating the Creation of the New Ministries |
| Message | This does not resemble a true resolution. If it did, we would have recognized that this was not a dictatorial order from the Supreme President by the fact that it would list the requisites for passage. However, this bill fails to include that. Though you do have my apologies about assuming this was an executive order. From reading the bill, it seemed misleading due to the way it was worded and I presumed it was in effect. However, your remark about the Federal Independent Party holding a monopoly is nothing more than a look at this country's political history. We have simply been the most popular party for government administration, through a selection by the people and this party's coalition allies. In regard to the bill, there are some issues. The only departments Federal Independent Senators would consider discussing is the Department of Security and Intelligence, Department of Civil Service, and possibly the Department of Communities and Local Government. FIP Majority Leader Helios Jerillio |
| Date | 00:39:02, February 23, 2009 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Creation of the New Ministries |
| Message | ooc: I never include requisites for pasage as I always just allow the game engine to do it for me. Our reasoning for each department; Department for Thought, Spirituality and Faith - Regardless of Governmental policy towards the Church; religion exists. We can combat it, but you can't control peoples minds. The idea of this department is simple to work either with, or against the Church depending on Policy at the time as it's currently an area not covered by any other department. Department for Security and Intelligence - The Defence Ministry would be enabled to deal and concentrate on Military affairs, as is right, and Intelligence can be handled by those more qualified to deal with it. Members of the Intelligence service should be running this area of work, not the Defence Ministry. Department for Communities and Local Government - To deal with issues to Race, segregation, equality and devolution. It will allow the Internal Affairs Department deal with things on a NATIONAL level, whilst they deal with policy on a much more LOCAL level. Department of Diplomacy and Peace - There is presently a Department for Peace created by the FIP however due to our Isolationist nature as a nation(It's true Solentia rarely RPs outside of itself), this would deal with maintaining our well-established Neutrality. The Foreign Office would then be able to concentrate on treaties and representation to other nations. Department for The Majatran Question - Whilst we can see why this would be of somewhat lesser importance, we fele it is needed to help tackle recent attempts to found a Majatran Superstate. Department for the Civil Service - Again, allows the Internal Ministry to concentrate on their true job, whilst this Department can deal with administration and paperwork. From paying civil servents in bennefit offices to social workers. Department of Public Unity - We had hoped that this would work closely with the Communities Department to promote a community spirit. It wouldn't be a propaganda office, but an office to encourage people to feel Solentian, something that we feel, has been somewhat lost. Department of Subterranean, Aquatic and Extraterran Affairs - This was really an amalgamation of aspects of Solentian life we feel were left over. We don't really see why Shipping or Underground tunneling would come under Science really. This was to deal with Solentian affairs in unusual places. We had hoped for a programme of Space Exploration, and even an Underwater programme in the future. Department for Mining Operations- This really was to allow the Department for Trade and Industry deal with affairs such as Business and Enterprise rather than Mining. Department for the Metropolitan Police -Again, the Internal Affairs Department looks after so much, it seemed reaosnable to lighten their load. The idea of this programme really, was to lighten the burden on the larger departments and to create departments where policy is left hanging (such as Religion, Local Government and he Civil Service) We see this as a great opportunity to work WITH our fellow parties for once, rather than against them. Ms. Kennedy had been looking to end the old rivalry between the FIP and the CMP with a series of "progressive initiatives". |
| Date | 17:59:03, March 24, 2009 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Creation of the New Ministries |
| Message | Department of Public Unity - We had hoped that this would work closely with the Communities Department to promote a community spirit. It wouldn't be a propaganda office, but an office to encourage people to feel Solentian, something that we feel, has been somewhat lost. This can't be serious? |
| Date | 19:35:41, March 24, 2009 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Creation of the New Ministries |
| Message | It can be as serious as we make it. |
| Date | 21:29:27, March 24, 2009 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Creation of the New Ministries |
| Message | So waste tons of public money on creating several totally unnecessary departments and having a paid minister at each one? This would waste hundreds of millions achieving very little. Of course it's not serious. |
| Date | 22:57:44, March 24, 2009 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Creation of the New Ministries |
| Message | As this suggestion is an Act under debate in this House, and has been endorsed by a well respected party of over 250 years expirience, we take it very seriously. If the gentlemen does not take the business of this house seriously, he is free to leave. |
| Date | 16:09:29, March 25, 2009 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Creation of the New Ministries |
| Message | May I suggest adding a Minister with responsibilites for Diet Pepsi? Or isn't that 'serious' enough? |
| Date | 17:18:49, March 25, 2009 CET | From | National Zeus Party | To | Debating the Creation of the New Ministries |
| Message | ooc: HA HA |
| Date | 00:01:43, March 26, 2009 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Creation of the New Ministries |
| Message | Should the gentleman wish to propose such, be my guest. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 96 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 263 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 66 |
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