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Bill: Beiteynese Airforce and Navy
Details
Submitted by[?]: BDSP un Beys fun Yisserles-Binyomen
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2721
Description[?]:
| All WKA ships are so cheap we could afford all of them on one years budget. Cut from the Crusade-era bill of the same name. BEITEYNESE AIRFORCE ---------------------------------- Jet Fighters - 1500 BAI (27th Century) Baraks and 500 KAF-1D 28C Super Guinea Pigs Attack Planes - 250 KAA-1A 28C Angry Moose Tactical Bombers - 200 BAI (27th Century) Ra'am's and 300 KAB-1A 28C Phantom Moose Attack Helicopters - 425 BAI (27th Century) Seraph's and 75 BAI-WKA 28C Seraph's Transport Plane - 500 WKA 28C Flying Moose Transport Helicopters - 300 BAI (27th Century) Shahak and 200 BAI-WKA 28C Shahak BEITEYNESE NAVY --------------------------- Aircraft Carriers - 1 WKA Aero King David Class Battleships - 5 BNI-WKA Super King David Class and 5 WKA Super King David Class Missile Boats - 22 BNI Sa'ar 4.5's and 3 WKA Missile Joshua Rishon LeZion Class Destroyers - 15 BNI-WKA King David Class Corvettes - 6 BNI Sa'ar 5's and 14 WKA Mini King David Class Frigates - 15 WKA Joshua Rishon LeZion Class Attack Submarines - 23 BNI Karîś' and 27 BNI-WKA 28C Karîś' Missile Submarines - 10 WKA Missile Karîś' Patrol Boats - 250 WKA Franklin Delanovitz Rooseveltstein Class, WKA Theodore Rooseveltstein Class, WKA Spider Pig Class, WKA Wilhelm Klink Class, and WKA Itamar Eitam Class (by Age old-young) |
Proposals
Debate
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| Date | 16:57:28, March 01, 2009 CET | From | BDSP un Beys fun Yisserles-Binyomen | To | Debating the Beiteynese Airforce and Navy |
| Message | If we need more we can use Klink Aero. http://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/Democratic_Socialist_Party_of_Beiteynu#Klink_Aero The WKA Flying Moose would be a perfect cargo plane. And if BNI could make some Karîś', then Klink Aero could easily convert them to missile subs. |
| Date | 17:09:02, March 01, 2009 CET | From | BDSP un Beys fun Yisserles-Binyomen | To | Debating the Beiteynese Airforce and Navy |
| Message | Almost forgot. Date 09:08:42, January 04, 2009 CET From Democrat Party To Debating the OOC ; Beiteynese Airforce and Navy Message OOC: I think the air force and navy size should be equivilant to or slightly larger then Pontesi since both country have always been fighting. I have done the Wiki for Pontesian Military a while ago and it needs update, but it can still be used as a guideline. http://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/Military_of_Pontesi Date 13:02:53, January 04, 2009 CET From HaTikvá MiKhófesh To Debating the OOC ; Beiteynese Airforce and Navy Message OOC: I agree with Freelancer, we've tried for the last few centuries to keep our military budget between 1.5 and twice as large as Pontesis, though I think it's accepted we're not as strong economically as Pontesi. The translation of dolphin is just dolfyn. I'd prefer to change that class name to karîś, meaning shark, simply because dolfyn looks rather Welsh. Suggestions for Hebrew Names: Tactical Bombers: BAI Ra'am Attack Helicopters: BAI Seraph Transport Planes: BAI Barak Transport Helicopters: BAI Shahak Date 14:45:25, January 04, 2009 CET From Drtárék-Jelbék Pntejo Prta To Debating the OOC ; Beiteynese Airforce and Navy Message Indeed, you'd have been clobbered with the numbers I put up there. I'm working on revising it. If you want to suggest some Hebrew names for the real-life military equipment (Sa'ars and Kifrs), that would be great in taking the game a step away from RL. However, can I attach an "RL-analogue" to each item, so we have an idea of how advanced and effective it should be? If so, should I use American stuff for the things Israel doesn't produce herself? Russian? Chinese? You know better than I do just how advanced Beiteynu is supposed to be. Date 14:47:21, January 04, 2009 CET From Order of St. Jarilo, the Reaper of Souls To Debating the OOC ; Beiteynese Airforce and Navy Message (sorry, signed in with the wrong account) Date 14:59:26, January 04, 2009 CET From Order of St. Jarilo, the Reaper of Souls To Debating the OOC ; Beiteynese Airforce and Navy Message Okay, solely for the purpose of creating some differences in the Prntek-Jewish OOB, I've taken the liberty to nix Beiteynese aircraft carriers in favour of a more interdictionary role of submarines and a larger surface fleet, and given the airforce a largely Air Superiority and Army Auxilery role. Is this how you'd see your military? Do you want Aircraft Carriers? Would you want a strategic air wing? (only the US and Russia have one in RL, but considering the nuclear tension between Pontesi and Beiteynu it would be feasable for both nations to have one) Would you want larger surface ships like battleships and destroyers? (No RL country has them in service and I think only Deltaria is backwards enough to have them in Terra) Date 17:31:18, January 04, 2009 CET From HaTikvá MiKhófesh To Debating the OOC ; Beiteynese Airforce and Navy Message I've never been very good with the military side of things, so apologies if what I'm saying doesn't make sense. I've always envisioned the Beiteynuese military as being less technologically advanced than Pontesi, though more so than the poorer Majatran nations, which is why it attempts to make up for this by having a larger army and a bigger military budget. I wouldn't be entirely sure which RL country we would be comparable to without knowing more about military technology in general. I'd think the main focus of any Beiteynuese war tactic would be in promoting our numbers advantage over Pontesi. Am I correct in assuming an army auxiliary role for the air force would do this? We haven't really done much with our air force in the last century other than try to harass and divert planes going to and from the protectorates, so I think a focus on air superiority would make sense. Am I correct that interdiction is attempting to destroy the enemy before they reach the battle? The navy I imagine would have been largely used to protect shipping to and from Squibble and to block any attempt to invade Squibble. I know literally nothing about navies, so unless one of the other Beiteynuese parties has something they want to add I think we'd be as well going along with your suggestion, though I doubt we'd have battleships or destroyers if they're very backward. I think that since we are essentially trying to play technological catch up to Pontesi, if they built a Strategic air wing we would have too. For names, I was wanting to switch Jet fighters to Barak instead of transport planes, since barak means lightning and on reflection it would probably be a more likely name for a jet fighter. Transport Plane - BAI Zamir Missile Boats - BNI Tvis Destroyers - BNI Anak Corvettes - BNI Sufa Frigates - BNI Magen Missile Submarines - BNI Kurnas Date 19:37:40, January 04, 2009 CET From Order of St. Jarilo, the Reaper of Souls To Debating the OOC ; Beiteynese Airforce and Navy Message Apologies for not making things clearer ; An Army Auxilary role for the airforce basically means the airforce is used to ferry troops and soften up targets before the landforces arrive. The air-force you invision would seem to be more air-superiority focused, although I might have made it far too powerful in numbers if your aim is to only harrass and divert soft air targets (implying you're at a disadvantage when compared to the Prntek airforce). Naval Interdiction means avoiding enemy fleets and opportunisticly targeting their convoys and lone vessels, similar to Germany's tactics in both world wars. I wasn't thinking properly when I asked, and forgot all about Squibble. To protect convoys and transports from an overseas holding, your navy would probably follow the "Open Sealanes" focus, and feature smaller surface ships like destroyers, corvettes, and frigates far more heavily (I said destroyers were outdated when I meant battlecruisers, sorry again for the confusion). Should I assume Beiteynu has no aircraft carriers? Very few nations in RL have them, yet in Terra most nations claim to have a dozen or so. Basically I'm doing all this to find out a generally acceptable number of fighter planes that Deltaria can steal (compared to most nations, we're very very weak in everything but infantry, WMD's and sheer resolve, and since we plan to expand we need a plausible way to expand our military) Date 00:57:12, January 05, 2009 CET From HaTikvá MiKhófesh To Debating the OOC ; Beiteynese Airforce and Navy Message Thanks for making things clearer. While our air force hasn't been involved in any real combat in the last century, it still has the funding and continued tensions with Pontesi would make it likely it would still be equipped to compete in a major conflict, though probably Pontesis air force would be somewhat stronger as we would have a greater focus on naval power due to commitments in Squibble. I think your initial proposal would be basically correct, though with slightly more emphasis on air superiority over an Army auxiliary role. The navy would largely be charged with keeping access to Squibble open, so the open sealanes focus you mention would seem appropriate. Much as I'm tempted to go along with the general consensus of making every nation a military superpower, in the interests of realism (and, you know, forcing Deltaria to come up with a more devious scheme to get their hands on one) I'll say we don't have any aircraft carriers. Date 04:33:32, January 05, 2009 CET From Democrat Party To Debating the OOC ; Beiteynese Airforce and Navy Message OOC: If the main focus of Beitenyu navy is to ensure a safe passage and coordinate military operation in Squibble then Beitenyu needs a flagship and a lot of surface ships. It doesn't necessary needs to be 3-4 Aircraft Carriers, but at least one would be needed and a lot of heavy surface ships as well. Date 05:20:21, January 05, 2009 CET From Order of St. Jarilo, the Reaper of Souls To Debating the OOC ; Beiteynese Airforce and Navy Message Look, we really gotta bounce out of this nation, we'll just snatch 800 fighter jets and you guys can work out what you're left with. |
| Date | 17:19:40, March 01, 2009 CET | From | BDSP un Beys fun Yisserles-Binyomen | To | Debating the Beiteynese Airforce and Navy |
| Message | We have the Flying Mooses ready, if you don't want them we can sell them. Klink Aero has some old ships from it's predecessors, some were being considered by Barmenia before the isolationists. |
| Date | 17:36:40, March 01, 2009 CET | From | BDSP un Beys fun Yisserles-Binyomen | To | Debating the Beiteynese Airforce and Navy |
| Message | Klink Aero is working on more ships, Itamar Eitam Class and Moshe Ne-anyahu Class. |
| Date | 10:50:50, March 02, 2009 CET | From | BDSP un Beys fun Yisserles-Binyomen | To | Debating the Beiteynese Airforce and Navy |
| Message | Standard Ad: All NATO, GPO, or Union Française members look at this military equipment sale. http://www.takeforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11278&mforum=particracy |
| Date | 06:41:33, May 15, 2009 CET | From | BDSP un Beys fun Yisserles-Binyomen | To | Debating the Beiteynese Airforce and Navy |
| Message | See Beiteynese Airforce and Navy II. http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=250614 |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes | Total Seats: 161 | ||
| no | Total Seats: 0 | ||
| abstain | Total Seats: 39 |
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