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Bill: Religion
Details
Submitted by[?]: Radicalistische Bewegung
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2736
Description[?]:
| This cancer must be cut out of our society ones and for ever. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning the visitation of foreign missionaries.
Old value:: The government requires foreign missionaries to register with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
Current: The government requires foreign missionaries to register with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
Proposed: Foreign missionaries are not permitted to enter the nation.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The state's intervention in the appointment of ministers of religion.
Old value:: The state appoints all heads and other ministers of all religions.
Current: The state does not intervene in the appointment of ministers of any religion whatsoever.
Proposed: The state does not intervene in the appointment of ministers of any religion whatsoever.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Government policy towards evangelism and religious advertising.
Old value:: Religions are permitted to freely promote and advertise themselves.
Current: Religions are required to obtain government approval before promoting themselves or advertising in any manner.
Proposed: Religions are not permitted to promote themselves or advertise in any manner whatsoever.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change
Taxation of religious institutions.
Old value:: No religions are taxed.
Current: Religious taxation policy is left to the local governments.
Proposed: All religious income, despite the use, is taxed.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change The state's policy concerning religious clothing.
Old value:: People are required to dress according to religious codes
Current: Wearing religious clothing or religious symbols in public is illegal.
Proposed: There are no laws regulating the wearing of religious clothing and the wearing of religious symbols.
Article 6
Proposal[?] to change The governments stance on religious schools.
Old value:: All schools are required to be religious in nature.
Current: Religious schools are allowed, but are strictly regulated. Only recognised religions may set up religious schools.
Proposed: Religious schools are not allowed.
Article 7
Proposal[?] to change Remuneration of ministers of religion.
Old value:: The state does not intervene in the remuneration of ministers of religion.
Current: The state does not intervene in the remuneration of ministers of religion.
Proposed: Ministers of religion shall receive no remuneration whatsoever.
Article 8
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy with respect to prayer in schools.
Old value:: Teacher-led prayers are mandatory in schools.
Current: Teacher-led prayers in schools are forbidden, except in religious schools.
Proposed: Teacher-led prayers in schools are forbidden.
Article 9
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning religions.
Old value:: There is an official state religion, but membership is completely voluntary.
Current: There is no government policy concerning a state religion.
Proposed: There is no government policy concerning a state religion.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 19:29:47, April 04, 2009 CET | From |  Konstitutionelle Monarchie Partei | To | Debating the Religion |
| Message | Religion plays a huge part in Hulstrian society, these proposals will remove a huge chunk of our culture if passed. |
| Date | 19:32:31, April 04, 2009 CET | From | Radicalistische Bewegung | To | Debating the Religion |
| Message | Then why should it be forced on others? What does it contribute to our culture, doesnt everybody has his own individual culture? |
| Date | 19:39:24, April 04, 2009 CET | From | Konstitutionelle Monarchie Partei | To | Debating the Religion |
| Message | When you have laws that say that religion can't promote themselves in no way whatsoever, that all income from religious groups is taxed (considering Hulstria doesn't have a single tax on food, luxary, or on corporations), that no religious schools are allowed, and that foreign ministers can't enter the nation is forcing any religious spot in our nation out and it is just as bad as your claims of forcing religion onto people. When Communists and radical overthrew the Monarchy, their first targets were religious people, and forced them out of the country by laws like these. They preached similar arguements like yours. We can not return to those days. |
| Date | 21:48:55, April 04, 2009 CET | From | Kaufmännischer Anschluss | To | Debating the Religion |
| Message | There's nothing wrong with reasonable freedom for the nonreligious: There's something wrong with the atheist tyranny proposed in this bill. |
| Date | 02:17:11, April 05, 2009 CET | From | Nationale Demokratische Union | To | Debating the Religion |
| Message | Though we do not agree with various parts of this bill, we will support it for the sake of not having schools required to be religious, for the removal of gov't appointment of religious ministers, for the end of mandatory school prayer, and for the end of state religion. |
| Date | 02:34:06, April 05, 2009 CET | From | Konstitutionelle Monarchie Partei | To | Debating the Religion |
| Message | I am dissapointed in the KVP for voting for this. You agree with 4 out of the 9 proposals here yet you vote to pass all of them. I'm not sure if the KVP is aware of the history of this nation; when religion is attacked upon by, as the KA put it, athiest tyranny, only bad things come out of it. Every Monarchy has a State Church/Religion; this will end the Church not only the Emperor but the rest of the royal family attends. The absence of the KHP should not allow for such senseless laws to be passed. |
| Date | 02:35:27, April 05, 2009 CET | From | Konstitutionelle Monarchie Partei | To | Debating the Religion |
| Message | While I do notice your party is proposing an amendment to fix some of these proposals, the right thing the KVP should have done is to vote against this, and instead propose an alternative with less-extreme laws instead of allowing this to pass and then try to change it. |
| Date | 16:53:06, April 05, 2009 CET | From | Militarist Polity | To | Debating the Religion |
| Message | This is prepostorous!! Everyone has a sense of inidividuality but this does not mean that religion will not play an important role in our Empire. The people want schools to be religious. The people want religion to be a part of their everyday lives. Why should we take away what is rightfully their choice? |
| Date | 17:53:52, April 05, 2009 CET | From | Radicalistische Bewegung | To | Debating the Religion |
| Message | The people want to be free, everybody can still believe what he or she wants. This will end government involvement in religion and vice versa. |
| Date | 20:00:44, April 05, 2009 CET | From | Konstitutionelle Monarchie Partei | To | Debating the Religion |
| Message | Again, this is the same arguement communists used when they overthrew the Monarchy. "People want to be free", thats BS and you know it. You want to end any religious involvement in any place in society and punish those who worship; that was tried under communist Hulstria and it failed. These is a difference between the seperation of church and state and radical communist attitude towards religion. How can anyone believe their religion if these laws make it impossible for them to do so. They can't have schools, they can't promote themselves in anyway, religious ministers don't recieve a salary, and I can go on with these stupid excuses you call legislation. Former Governor-General Wolfgang Reinhardt was able to pass these laws you wish to overturn and how did Hulstrians repond? They elected him to four terms as Governor-General. So this concept people want these laws to be overturned is ridiculous. People rejected your party the last election, why would you think they would argee to any of this garbage. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 309 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 230 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: Real-life organisations should not be referenced in Particracy, unless they are simple and generic (eg. "National Organisation for Women" is allowed). |
| Random quote: "When strangers start acting like neighbors, communities are reinvigorated." - Ralph Nader |