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Bill: Milatary homosexuallaty act
Details
Submitted by[?]: spencer green Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2744
Description[?]:
| this will be debated on for years or even centuries but we believe that people in the military have a right to be openly gay or lesbian its not our choice but theirs. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Military stance on homosexuality.
Old value:: Open homosexuality is not tolerated in the military. The military has a "don't ask, don't tell" policy.
Current: Homosexuality is allowed in the military.
Proposed: Homosexuality is allowed in the military.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 15:36:55, April 10, 2009 CET | From | spencer green Party | To | Debating the Milatary homosexuallaty act |
| Message | i think its important to be able to express your self openly. |
| Date | 04:38:23, April 11, 2009 CET | From | Rutanian Restoration Party | To | Debating the Milatary homosexuallaty act |
| Message | We just a year ago opposed a similar bill. There are a whole lot of identical bills coming through. Please check recent bills before proposing the exact same thing the next day. |
| Date | 06:44:24, April 11, 2009 CET | From | spencer green Party | To | Debating the Milatary homosexuallaty act |
| Message | i have my friend |
| Date | 07:32:46, April 11, 2009 CET | From | Rutanian Heritage Party | To | Debating the Milatary homosexuallaty act |
| Message | As we opposed the recent legislation proposing the same thing, so too we oppose this. |
| Date | 00:08:54, April 13, 2009 CET | From | spencer green Party | To | Debating the Milatary homosexuallaty act |
| Message | Has the RHP and OP not previously expressed there love of democracy? its actually funny when i say express because the freedom to express oneself is part of our wonderful democracy is it not? so how come we can say we love democracy and a military man or woman not say they love a man or women? |
| Date | 01:37:57, April 13, 2009 CET | From | Rutanian Heritage Party | To | Debating the Milatary homosexuallaty act |
| Message | We have no great 'love' for democracy - it is an inherantly flawed system of governance, though arguably one of the most tolerable. |
| Date | 03:55:35, April 13, 2009 CET | From | spencer green Party | To | Debating the Milatary homosexuallaty act |
| Message | yes i agree but how come we can say we love democracy and a military man or woman not say they love a man or women? |
| Date | 20:38:17, April 20, 2009 CET | From | Rutanian Restoration Party | To | Debating the Milatary homosexuallaty act |
| Message | The Orange Party sees no correlation between allowing homosexuals to be openly "gay" in the military and democracy, a form of government. The issue has to do with rights, not democracy. |
| Date | 15:08:10, April 21, 2009 CET | From | Rutanian Heritage Party | To | Debating the Milatary homosexuallaty act |
| Message | There are no 'rights' that exist outside of a founding document or a social institution; essentially, there are no rights which are universal or exist by nature, though many true rights reflect man's nature in themselves. 'Equal rights' for homosexuals are not embodied in the constitution, and are, at best, an abstract idea dreamed up by philosophers and ideologues. This idea has no 'objective' merit, and is entirely subjective, as is everything - one may believe that 'equal rights' for homosexuals are a 'good idea', but this is merely an unfounded opinion, rather than a universal 'truth', though it is often considered one. Therefore, we have no reason to favor it over the pre-existing establishment, or to enforce it through social engineering, altering what has developed naturally in civilized society for the sake of pursuing 'ideas'. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 153 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 142 | |||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 0 |
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