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Bill: Compromise of "RRA Compromise III"
Details
Submitted by[?]: Cathartic Crisis Coalition
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2744
Description[?]:
| Teacher led prayers in all public schools would still be forbidden by the Government (since the Government runs the schools) however, all private schools and religious schools will have the right to allow Teacher led prayers in schools. All students going to any kind of school in Kalistan have the right to opt out of a prayer if they do not wish to participate. Finally, In all public schools, students shall eb allowed to conduct student led prayers if they wish. There shall be no discouragement or hindrance of prayer in any public school if an individual student or a group of students wishes to do so. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy with respect to prayer in schools.
Old value:: Teacher-led prayers in schools are forbidden, except in religious schools.
Current: Teacher-led prayers in schools are forbidden, except in religious schools.
Proposed: The government leaves this decision up to the schools themselves.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 00:26:52, April 21, 2009 CET | From | Revolutionary Freedom Party -- KEG SLAM | To | Debating the Compromise of "RRA Compromise III" |
| Message | I'm not sure I understand how this is different. The current states that religious schools can have teacher-led prayers. Secondly, this is not about individual students praying, it is about teachers leading and initiating prayers. I would oppose any attempt to keep religious schools from being allowed to pray, or any attempt that would ban any student or group of students in any school from praying. What we are talking about here is teachers, and other people in authority in schools initiating prayers. Do you see the difference, or am I missing something here? |
| Date | 00:37:28, April 21, 2009 CET | From | Cathartic Crisis Coalition | To | Debating the Compromise of "RRA Compromise III" |
| Message | The only difference is, that in the current form, Private schools that are not religiously affiliated are included in the "Teachers are forbidden" category. We don't like the idea of the Government forbidding private school teachers from leading a prayer if the students/teacher/school wishes to do this. Many private schools have prayers to begin the day, and they are not always affiliated with religious organizations. |
| Date | 03:44:26, April 21, 2009 CET | From | Revolutionary Freedom Party -- KEG SLAM | To | Debating the Compromise of "RRA Compromise III" |
| Message | Ahhhh, I see. |
| Date | 19:06:15, April 21, 2009 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the Compromise of "RRA Compromise III" |
| Message | Teachers should be forbidden from leading prayers in schools whose express function is not the promulgation of religious education. This is the point of regulation of private schools. |
| Date | 04:36:22, April 22, 2009 CET | From | Cathartic Crisis Coalition | To | Debating the Compromise of "RRA Compromise III" |
| Message | We were assured that the SPoK would abstain, we are disappointed in the dishonesty. |
| Date | 05:33:09, April 22, 2009 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the Compromise of "RRA Compromise III" |
| Message | Well, if it means the difference between creeping religion in the schools and stopping that, we have decided that it is important to stand on our principles here. We apologize for our commitment before and our vote against here, but it had to be done. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 286 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 428 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 36 |
| Random fact: When elections in a country are held, all bills in the voting phase are reset to the debate phase. |
| Random quote: “Their cheap talk of the 'greater good' is a thinly concealed excuse for subordinating the people to the institutionalized violence that is the state.” - Margaret Woodhall, former Dranian politician |