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Bill: Case before the 22nd Constitutional Court: Rom vs Sebastian: Voting Copy
Details
Submitted by[?]: Revolutionary Freedom Party -- KEG SLAM
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2747
Description[?]:
| There are three options/positions expressed, thus, voting will be a little complex. The first position is that of Justice Chattan. Justice Chattan opinion states that the Court is finalized when the president calls the court seated. This is seen as an extension of Civits vs. Bunker, which stated that for a newly formed party to seat a justice, that party must have formed between the time the court is called and the time the court is seated. This suggests that the court is finalized when then President declares the court seated, and thus, justices cannot be seated if appointed to the court after the court is seated. If you agree with this position, votes YES, and state that you agree with Justice CHATTAN. The second position is that of Justice Ascili, that the president has the power to seat a justice after the court is declared seated. This is the doctrine of Full Power, the idea that the President has the full power to seat the court, and can seat a justice after the court is declared seated. If you agree with this position, vote YES, and state that you agree with Justice ASCILI. The third position is that of Justice Dinard, which states that the Constitutional Court does not have the power to decide this question, and that it is a question for the legislature, and should be determined there. If you agree with this position, vote NO, and, optionally state that you agree with Justice DINARD. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 00:15:18, April 26, 2009 CET | From | Revolutionary Freedom Party -- KEG SLAM | To | Debating the Case before the 22nd Constitutional Court: Rom vs Sebastian: Voting Copy |
| Message | Justice Chattan of the RFP votes yes, in favor of the position held by Justice CHATTAN. |
| Date | 05:00:53, April 26, 2009 CET | From | Libertarian Democrats | To | Debating the Case before the 22nd Constitutional Court: Rom vs Sebastian: Voting Copy |
| Message | Civits vs. Bunker! Yes! |
| Date | 06:51:42, April 26, 2009 CET | From | Cathartic Crisis Coalition | To | Debating the Case before the 22nd Constitutional Court: Rom vs Sebastian: Voting Copy |
| Message | CCC votes yes in favor of the opinion of Justice Ascili. |
| Date | 07:05:06, April 26, 2009 CET | From | Revolutionary Freedom Party -- KEG SLAM | To | Debating the Case before the 22nd Constitutional Court: Rom vs Sebastian: Voting Copy |
| Message | DFCK, does that mean that you are voting with Chattan, since that is the one based off of Civits vs Bunker, or are you voting in favor of Ascili's position? |
| Date | 08:46:33, April 26, 2009 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the Case before the 22nd Constitutional Court: Rom vs Sebastian: Voting Copy |
| Message | How many seats do we have on the court? Either way, all SPoK seats vote NO. If we lose this vote, we would like to write an official dissent. |
| Date | 19:52:17, April 26, 2009 CET | From | Revolutionary Freedom Party -- KEG SLAM | To | Debating the Case before the 22nd Constitutional Court: Rom vs Sebastian: Voting Copy |
| Message | two, George and Dinard. And you can always write a dissent. |
| Date | 20:07:00, April 26, 2009 CET | From | Cathartic Crisis Coalition | To | Debating the Case before the 22nd Constitutional Court: Rom vs Sebastian: Voting Copy |
| Message | So then what is the official count? is it 2 CCC judges, 1RFP Judge and 1 DFCK judge in favor and 2 SPoK judges opposing? |
| Date | 22:52:31, April 26, 2009 CET | From | Pansexual Peace Party -- FNORD | To | Debating the Case before the 22nd Constitutional Court: Rom vs Sebastian: Voting Copy |
| Message | We agree with Justice Dinard. Seating of the court is something for the legislature to decide. |
| Date | 00:07:15, April 27, 2009 CET | From | Revolutionary Freedom Party -- KEG SLAM | To | Debating the Case before the 22nd Constitutional Court: Rom vs Sebastian: Voting Copy |
| Message | Official count Position of Justice Chattan Justice Chattan (UPM did not seat a justice) Position of Justice Ascili Justice Ascili Justice Seabread Position of Justice Dinard Justice Dinard Justice George Justice McGee |
| Date | 00:45:04, April 27, 2009 CET | From | Cathartic Crisis Coalition | To | Debating the Case before the 22nd Constitutional Court: Rom vs Sebastian: Voting Copy |
| Message | So, if the current count remains unchanged, will the court decide in favor of Justice Dinard's opinion? If so, Justice Ascili would like to reserve the right to write a dissenting opinion. |
| Date | 02:04:23, April 27, 2009 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the Case before the 22nd Constitutional Court: Rom vs Sebastian: Voting Copy |
| Message | It would be tied, between yes and no. Whoever casts the tie breaker determines who writes the opinion of the court. If it is yes, the Other yes position writes a concurrent decision, while the no writes the dissent, and other no justices can write concurrent dissents. |
| Date | 05:15:24, April 27, 2009 CET | From | Revolutionary Freedom Party -- KEG SLAM | To | Debating the Case before the 22nd Constitutional Court: Rom vs Sebastian: Voting Copy |
| Message | It woldn't be tied according to my count Justice Chattan: 1 Justic Ascili: 2 Justice Dinard: 3 |
| Date | 21:21:33, April 27, 2009 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the Case before the 22nd Constitutional Court: Rom vs Sebastian: Voting Copy |
| Message | There's three yeses all together, and three for no. The question is whether the President can deny a Party a seat. The only difference between the two yes votes is the reasoning. Whoever casts the tie breaker should do so and then select a person to write the opinion of the court. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 234 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 323 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 193 |
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