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Bill: Immigration Bill of 2748
Details
Submitted by[?]: Rutanian Restoration Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 2751
Description[?]:
| The Orange Party propose to allow anyone to claim Rutanian nationality. Tests force immigrants to "integrate" into Rutanian society when we should not impose our social views upon them. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning granting nationality (national of this state without implication of having citizenship rights).
Old value:: Anyone receives nationality but immigrants must pass a test to gain nationality.
Current: Anyone receives nationality but immigrants must pass a test to gain nationality.
Proposed: Anyone is able to claim nationality.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:57:46, April 27, 2009 CET | From |  Rutanian Elitist Party | To | Debating the Immigration Bill of 2748 |
| Message | The REP supports this legislation. |
| Date | 10:51:56, April 28, 2009 CET | From | Popular Socialist Liberation Movement | To | Debating the Immigration Bill of 2748 |
| Message | We support this proposal. |
| Date | 21:22:17, April 28, 2009 CET | From | spencer green Party | To | Debating the Immigration Bill of 2748 |
| Message | we support. |
| Date | 00:59:41, April 29, 2009 CET | From | Rutanian Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the Immigration Bill of 2748 |
| Message | Please, explain the last sentence of this bill to me concerning the test for integration OP. - RSDP |
| Date | 01:31:31, April 29, 2009 CET | From | Rutanian Heritage Party | To | Debating the Immigration Bill of 2748 |
| Message | We oppose this legislation. The integration of immigrants is vitally important for social cohesion and the prevention of tension between groups. In essence, under the circumstances which the 'OP' has described, a plethora of different cultural demographics will segregate and form their own seperate communities; their own seperate countries within Rutania, sharing no affinity with Rutania, its people, or its culture. We do not subscribe to the fallacious idea of 'multi-culturalism' - this is a politically-correct term for cultural and social fragmentation. We pose one question to the 'OP' - they claim that we should not 'force our social views on (immigrants)', but why not? Surely, those who have been granted the privelage - not the 'right' - to come and live in Rutania should at least be expected to become a part of the country and its society. Why should we allow them to come to Rutania if they simply want to create their own seperate country within it, pledging no allegiance to our nation and sharing nothing in common with its people? |
| Date | 06:08:14, April 29, 2009 CET | From | Rutanian Elitist Party | To | Debating the Immigration Bill of 2748 |
| Message | If the REP may give an answer to the question of the RHP, we would say that matters of social integration and socialization are not functions of the state. The state gives political cohesion but that is all. |
| Date | 11:12:04, April 29, 2009 CET | From | Rutanian Heritage Party | To | Debating the Immigration Bill of 2748 |
| Message | "If the REP may give an answer to the question of the RHP, we would say that matters of social integration and socialization are not functions of the state. The state gives political cohesion but that is all." We do not necessarily disagree with the position described by the 'REP' - integration is something that can only occur by natural means, and therefore, it should not be a direct function of the state, per se. However, some cultural groups are more easily assimilated into society than others, and this should be taken into consideration in matters of immigration and citizenship - we don't see this policy as state-enforced integration, but as a test of the capacity of immigrants to integrate into Rutania and its society, to ensure social cohesion. Whilst this social cohesion cannot be achieved directly by government programs - nor should it be - it can be at least partially ensured through selective immigration criteria. |
| Date | 14:28:07, April 29, 2009 CET | From | Rutanian Elitist Party | To | Debating the Immigration Bill of 2748 |
| Message | The different ethnic groups have right for a distinct identity. The only condition is to remain loyal to their new country, Rutania. This condition can be achieved by political integration, that is giving political rights and integrating into the political body of Rutania. |
| Date | 18:47:47, April 29, 2009 CET | From | Rutanian Restoration Party | To | Debating the Immigration Bill of 2748 |
| Message | So-in response to the RHP's previous arguments-we say that Rutania is not a "pass" on a test. Rutania, is an idea. An idea that unites us all in brotherhood. We hold that idea dear, above all else. That idea is that Rutania is a place where people can be free to do whatever they wish, to live as wish, to freely worship, to enjoy the rights to their own privacy. It is our duty through the Constitution to provide these freedoms. No where are we told to allow only certain individuals to enjoy the rights, so why should we take it upon ourselves to do this? -Clay Raymond, Prime Minister |
| Date | 16:06:29, April 30, 2009 CET | From | Rutanian Heritage Party | To | Debating the Immigration Bill of 2748 |
| Message | In response to the 'OP's arguments: We do not believe that Rutania is an 'idea', nor do we believe that it was founded in 'ideas' alone. Rutania is a nation of people with shared cultural heritage, customs, traditions and values - it is defined by its concrete institutions, rather than the abstract ideas that supposedly underpin it. Culture, then, is more important than ideology and, indeed, politics in general, as it serves as a bond between citizens, fostering kinship and community sentiment - essentially, it is what makes a nation strong and gives its people a unique identity. Culture - an institution so deeply embedded in our national fabric, should not be subjugated for the sake of an 'idea'. |
| Date | 21:27:02, April 30, 2009 CET | From | Rutanian Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the Immigration Bill of 2748 |
| Message | In response to RHP, If Rutania is to be so bound to its cultural heritage and not be inclusive of any and all who wish to join in our community for democracy and free, well then we are nothing more than a nation of prejudice and discrimination! We should respect that heritage of our Commonwealth, respect the heritage of those who join it, and ask that they do the same for the heritage we have. RSDP |
| Date | 04:42:02, May 02, 2009 CET | From | Rutanian Heritage Party | To | Debating the Immigration Bill of 2748 |
| Message | "We should respect the heritage of our Commonwealth, respect the heritage of those who join it, and ask that they do the same for the heritage we have". We agree, to an extent. Indeed, we should respect the cultural heritage of our Commonwealth and ask that those who are granted the privelage to join our nation respect it also. However, part of showing respect for our cultural heritage, for those who come to live here permenantly, is making an effort to adopt the customs, values, language and culture of Rutania; essentially, to make an effort to become a 'Rutanian', not merely in name, but in nature. For Rutania to remain strong, we must preserve the collective cultural mores that underpin our nation, rather than allowing cultures from abroad to divide and segregate our society into a plethora of different countries within it, sharing nothing in common but geographical location. Never has a civilization existed in which there was no dominant, shared culture; no collective values; in which the community was divided among itself. We have no reason to believe that such a civilization can ever exist, or that it would be desirable. |
| Date | 10:03:10, May 02, 2009 CET | From | Rutanian Elitist Party | To | Debating the Immigration Bill of 2748 |
| Message | Does the RHP think that cultural diversity and luralism makes our nation weaker? Because we believe that uniformity is the thing which makes us stronger but the peaceful coexistence of different individuals, groups, with different values and beliefs. That is why the CLCR is supporting devolution and de-centralization, to give each smaller unit the right to pursue their lifes in their own ways. Victoria von Bruckenthal, Vice-Chairman, REP |
| Date | 10:03:57, May 02, 2009 CET | From | Rutanian Elitist Party | To | Debating the Immigration Bill of 2748 |
| Message | OOC: "unformity is NOT the thing which makes us stronger" |
| Date | 09:52:19, May 03, 2009 CET | From | Rutanian Heritage Party | To | Debating the Immigration Bill of 2748 |
| Message | In response to the comments made by the 'REP', it is not that we believe, necessarily, that our entire nation must be united under one uniform culture - there are many different cultural sub-groups within Rutanian culture itself, each with their own regional particularities and characters, and this variety is certainly to be celebrated. As the 'REP' well know, our party fervently supports devolution and de-centralization for this reason - we believe that each region should have the capacity to preserve its own particularities and determine its own policies autonomously. We do believe, however, that in order to retain social cohesion in Rutanian, it is important that foreign cultural groups that come to live in our society are harmonious with our existing cultures so that they may easily integrate, rather than creating splinter-communities and ultimately causing Rutania to be fragmented culturally. It is important to recognize the distinction between a collection of regional cultures who, though they may be different in some ways, share much of the same cultural heritage, and a collection of cultures that share nothing in common, are completely at odds with each other, and seek only to keep to themselves. We do not believe that the multi-cultural Utopia the 'REP' describes is achievable, nor is it desirable, as they misconstrue the nature of man - he prefers the familiar to the foreign; the known to the unknown. Multi-culturalism is an idealistic dream that has no root in reality - the inevitable results of placing a collection of entirely different cultures side-by-side, with no attempt to integrate them, are perpetual friction and tension, and, ultimately, segregation. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 219 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 76 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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