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Bill: Military Act (2127)

Details

Submitted by^[?]: Deltarian Nationalist Party

Status^[?]: defeated

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: April 2128

Description^[?]:

Change in the stance of the Republic with regards to the running of the military.

Proposals

Article 1

Proposal^[?] to change National service.

Old value:: All adults upon completion of schooling can be required in times of war to serve a term in the military.

Current: All adults upon completion of schooling must serve either a term in the military or a lesser paid term of civilian national service, at their option.

Proposed: All adults upon completion of schooling must serve a term in the military.

Article 2

Proposal^[?] to change The government's policy concerning the export of weapons to other nations.

Old value:: The government must approve all arms sales on a case by case basis.

Current: The government must approve all arms sales on a case by case basis.

Proposed: The government allows arms to be sold only to close allies.

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date	15:41:46, October 18, 2005 CET
From	Liberal-Progressive Union
To	Debating the Military Act (2127)
Message	It won't happen.

Date	15:45:31, October 18, 2005 CET
From	Deltarian Nationalist Party
To	Debating the Military Act (2127)
Message	I know, but it's worth a try and i want to express my opinions. I do though feel military service and a tightening of the arms trade is important.

Date	15:48:10, October 18, 2005 CET
From	Deltarian Nationalist Party
To	Debating the Military Act (2127)
Message	I mean it's not too extreme what i am proposing.

Date	15:49:12, October 18, 2005 CET
From	Liberal-Progressive Union
To	Debating the Military Act (2127)
Message	I am sympathetic to your military stance. I believe we need a strong military, and alliances with our friends for mutal protection. But nuclear weapons is something that is not needed if we are smart in our foreign policy.

Date	15:50:45, October 18, 2005 CET
From	Deltarian Nationalist Party
To	Debating the Military Act (2127)
Message	Plus, eventually i'd like at least a few seats in parliament so i need to draw attention. Is there any chance to get some of my proposals through, if there is then i will remove offending article.

Date	15:51:40, October 18, 2005 CET
From	Liberal-Progressive Union
To	Debating the Military Act (2127)
Message	The arms export that is current law is more or less what you propose. Case by case. we will export weapons to a ally in need. There is really no point in changing this law.

Date	15:53:27, October 18, 2005 CET
From	Deltarian Nationalist Party
To	Debating the Military Act (2127)
Message	Ok. I'll drop nuclear weapons from the bill. I can see that there will never be a change in womd's but what about national service and the defence contractors. I will not push for purely nationalised industry but a public-private partnership would be more fruitful.

Date	15:54:01, October 18, 2005 CET
From	Liberal-Progressive Union
To	Debating the Military Act (2127)
Message	You will get seats, but it takes a little while. Propose as many bills as you want, even if they don't pass it will help you get seats. Be patient as it may take a few elections before you pick up any seats.

Date	15:54:57, October 18, 2005 CET
From	Deltarian Nationalist Party
To	Debating the Military Act (2127)
Message	If what i propose is more or less what we have then why not change it?

Date	15:57:12, October 18, 2005 CET
From	Liberal-Progressive Union
To	Debating the Military Act (2127)
Message	I will support the arms exporting. But I can't support the mixed defense proposal as that would hurt me because I flip flopped, voting for a bill I have opposed and voters will remember that.

Date	15:58:47, October 18, 2005 CET
From	Liberal-Progressive Union
To	Debating the Military Act (2127)
Message	I'm not saying don't propose, I was giving my opinion on the proposals. Propose any bill you want.

Date	16:01:12, October 18, 2005 CET
From	Deltarian Nationalist Party
To	Debating the Military Act (2127)
Message	Ah, no no I understand. I respect you can't go back on policy. How about national service?

Date	16:05:14, October 18, 2005 CET
From	Liberal-Progressive Union
To	Debating the Military Act (2127)
Message	Hmm. This is tricky. Conscription during wartime is the lesser of the two evils. I am not sure about peacetime conscription though. We should open a new forum and discuss your miltiary views at some point.

Date	16:07:07, October 18, 2005 CET
From	Deltarian Nationalist Party
To	Debating the Military Act (2127)
Message	Ah, ok. It's strange, i'm a right wing leftist lol

Date	16:17:28, October 18, 2005 CET
From	Liberal-Progressive Union
To	Debating the Military Act (2127)
Message	I'm glad there is pro-military party here in Hobrazia. We don't have many.

Date	16:26:27, October 18, 2005 CET
From	Capitalizt Party
To	Debating the Military Act (2127)
Message	I'm slightly pro-military, and a bill like this looks good. It's just the Article 1 a bit too harsh. Civilian service should not be underestimated.

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