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Bill: NSVP-2771-3
Details
Submitted by[?]: Kommunistische Volkspartei
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2774
Description[?]:
| NSVP2771-3. Part 2 of the end of the monarchy Upon passage of this bill the name of this nation shall become Dundorfisches Reich |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Structure of the executive branch.
Old value:: The Head of State is hereditary and symbolic; the Head of Government chairs the cabinet.
Current: The Head of State and Head of Government are two separate officials.
Proposed: The Head of State and Head of Government are two separate officials.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The formal title of the Head of State.
Old value:: Dundorfischer Kaiser Georg Wilhelm II, von Gottes Gnaden, Fürst von Oderveld, Erzherzog von Bergengruber, Großherzog von Dunburg, Herzog von Hohenstauffen
Current: Bundespräsident/in
Proposed:
| Reichspräsident |
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 16:50:24, June 14, 2009 CET | From | Kommunistische Volkspartei | To | Debating the NSVP-2771-3 |
| Message | OOC: I realize the name isn't correct but I'm doing this from my iPhone and it doesn't have umlauts. I'll fix it before actual proposal |
| Date | 22:56:58, June 14, 2009 CET | From | Militärregierung - Alte Kämpfergruppe | To | Debating the NSVP-2771-3 |
| Message | Nein! There is absolutely no reason to get rid of the monarchy! We have a democratic constitution, with democraticn institutions! The Monarchy does not infringe upon those! An elected executive has the same job and same abilities as a hereditary monarch; they are exactly the same! Let us keep the monarch as a symbol of unity amongst the people of Dundorf. An elected president can only bring about partisanship, factionalism, and disunity! The NPD has fought for over two hundred years to reestablish the legitimate Hohnestauffen monarch and we will do all in our power to prevent such pointless rules. We do not understand why the NSVP, being a Fascist power, does not use the monarchy for legitimacy as other such organizations have used them in the past! (ie fictional Italy). This seems a pointless distraction from the establishment of a fascist state. |
| Date | 05:32:37, June 15, 2009 CET | From | Kommunistische Volkspartei | To | Debating the NSVP-2771-3 |
| Message | "It is not a matter of political powers, it is a matter of principle and symbolism. Monarchy represents the horrors of the past, the tyranny of those not elected, and the placement of those undeserving of power at the top for no reason other than that they were born into their estate. Elected heads of state are there to demonstrate to the people that their voice is always heard in all sections of government not just the Reichstag and to ensure the people that those truly capable of holding power are the ones in charge. Any citizen would rather know that their leader is competent than hope that their parents taught them the value of competence. In monarchy all the citizenry can do is HOPE that the monarch is intelligent and capable. In full democracy, where the head of state is elected, the citizens KNOW that the best person was chosen because they were able to demonstate their capabilities to the populace before holding the highest office. Only in a true democracy can the will of the people be ensured. The Volksdundorfe have spoken to me and they say "END THE MONARCHY!" And that is what we intend to do." -Johann Klug |
| Date | 16:30:25, June 15, 2009 CET | From | Revolutionäre Volkspartei | To | Debating the NSVP-2771-3 |
| Message | Our party is extremely concerned by the fact that our main political issue has been the monarchy for sometime. Whatever the case, those who are against the monarchy cannot remove it due to recent results, therefore until the next elections have taken place, and providing results go in a postive way, nothing can be done ! |
| Date | 20:10:02, June 15, 2009 CET | From | Kommunistische Volkspartei | To | Debating the NSVP-2771-3 |
| Message | We are aware of that which is why we are waiting to actually propose this until a later date |
| Date | 04:43:11, June 18, 2009 CET | From | Kommunistische Volkspartei | To | Debating the NSVP-2771-3 |
| Message | As a matter of good will we propose that the Kaiser remain in his position. However, he will have nothing to do with the government and will not be officially recognized as the head of state. The imperial family may remain but with no power or official recognition from the state. By doing this they can remain as figureheads for the nation but at the same time we can return to a fully democratic government. Would the Nationalistische Partei Dundorf be willing to accept this proposition? |
| Date | 23:15:36, June 19, 2009 CET | From | Revolutionäre Volkspartei | To | Debating the NSVP-2771-3 |
| Message | We are against the name given to the Head of State. "Reichspräsident" is not satisfying for our party. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes | Total Seats: 345 | ||
| no | Total Seats: 180 | ||
| abstain | Total Seats: 225 |
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