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Bill: Royal Hulstrian Foreign Ministry Creation Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Konstitutionelle Monarchie Partei
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 2782
Description[?]:
| The Royal Hulstrian Foreign Ministry Creation Act of 2781 hereby sets these provisions; Article 1- Section 1: This act hereby establishes the Royal Hulstrian Ministry of Foreign Affairs chaired by is His Imperial and Most Illustrious Lutheran Majesty the Emperor of Hulstria that will be under the oversight off the domestic cabinet position of Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Section 2: The Monarchy shall pocess the authority to appoint its own Imperial Minister of Foreign Affairs to deal with hosting state visits, establishing communications with other Monarchies on Terra, attend diplomatic conferences, and to form treaties on behalf of the Emperor. Section 3: The Monarchy shall also appoint a council that will lead the Royal Hulstrian Foreign Ministry with the Imperial Minister and the Emperor shall chair the said council; the Council's responsibilities will be to brief the Imperial Diet/the Emperor on royal diplomatic affairs and to carry out various diplomatic missions. Article 2- Section 1: The Imperial Minister of Foreign Affairs must be transparent with the domestic Minister of Foreign Affairs and as stated in Article 1, Section 3 must brief the Imperial Diet on any significant proceddings. Section 2: When attending international conferences, both the Imperial and domestic Minister of Foreign Affairs must be in the same delegation; however one can opt-out for an any reason. Section 3: To establish treaties, the Royal Hulstrian Foreign Ministry must go through the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to finalize such an act. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 09:27:30, July 04, 2009 CET | From |  Liberaldemokratische Allianz | To | Debating the Royal Hulstrian Foreign Ministry Creation Act |
| Message | There should not be two competing Foreign Ministries in the Imperial Crownlands. The current method of discrete and personal diplomacy by the Emperor with other monarchies is perfectly fine. If the FAP is not up to the job of performing these diplomatic duties for the cabinet and imperial court, perhaps a new party needs to assume the Foreign Affairs portfolio. |
| Date | 10:23:28, July 04, 2009 CET | From | Konstitutionelle Monarchie Partei | To | Debating the Royal Hulstrian Foreign Ministry Creation Act |
| Message | The FAP has shown it is perfectly capable of performing its duties at the Foreign Affairs Ministry with patience and respect time and time again; frankly your statement is a bit rude but certainly not a surprise. If I were to give up my post, I'd give it to the KHP but you'd probably be opposed to that to. These Foreign Ministries won't be "competing", it clearly states that both the offices will have to be in constant communications; I don't think we'll be racing to write treaties there CLA. It would simply set up an official diplomatic wing for the Monarchy; this would be not different than how the foreign affairs Ministry in Norway works where Harald V operates his own diplomatic duties with the same responsibilities as I outlined here. |
| Date | 17:47:23, July 04, 2009 CET | From | Leutes Kommunistische Liga | To | Debating the Royal Hulstrian Foreign Ministry Creation Act |
| Message | This would only lead to a conflict of interests and confusion, no. |
| Date | 17:54:20, July 04, 2009 CET | From | Socialist Party of Greater Hulstria | To | Debating the Royal Hulstrian Foreign Ministry Creation Act |
| Message | I think the Royal Hulstrian Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs can coexist, and that it is necessary for the Emperor to have a means of official contact with other foreign powers without going through the beaurocracy of the cabinet ministry, so long as there is a clear line of communication between the two offices. |
| Date | 18:11:53, July 04, 2009 CET | From | Liberaldemokratische Allianz | To | Debating the Royal Hulstrian Foreign Ministry Creation Act |
| Message | The imperial court already communicates with other monarchies through discrete and personal channels. However, should it be necessary to provide His Majesty with bureaucratic assistance an Office of Imperial Diplomacy can be created within the existing Ministry of Foreign Affairs. The OID could utilize standing resources of the Ministry to organize and plan royal visits an handle royal protocol. The CLA remains firmly against the original proposal. |
| Date | 18:39:10, July 04, 2009 CET | From | Konstitutionelle Monarchie Partei | To | Debating the Royal Hulstrian Foreign Ministry Creation Act |
| Message | The CLA is only assuming the Emperor communicates with other monarchies. |
| Date | 01:42:06, July 05, 2009 CET | From | Liberaldemokratische Allianz | To | Debating the Royal Hulstrian Foreign Ministry Creation Act |
| Message | An Office of Imperial Diplomacy may be created within the Foreign Ministry, but an independent diplomatic organization independent of oversight from the cabinet and Imperial Diet will never be accepted. |
| Date | 01:54:06, July 05, 2009 CET | From | Konstitutionelle Monarchie Partei | To | Debating the Royal Hulstrian Foreign Ministry Creation Act |
| Message | The FAP will make revisions then. The Royal Hulstrian Foreign Ministry will be established under the the domestic Foreign Ministry with the Emperor still chairing such an office with the domestic Foreign Minister having oversight. All other sections about a council appointed by the Emperor, communications, briefings, and transparency will still be included. |
| Date | 01:56:07, July 05, 2009 CET | From | Liberaldemokratische Allianz | To | Debating the Royal Hulstrian Foreign Ministry Creation Act |
| Message | We will not accept anything titled "Ministry", it would have to be along the lines of Office of Imperial Diplomacy to emphasize that while working closely with the imperial court, it is strictly and absolutely subordinate to the Minister of Foreign Affairs, cabinet, and Imperial Diet. |
| Date | 02:13:41, July 05, 2009 CET | From | Konstitutionelle Monarchie Partei | To | Debating the Royal Hulstrian Foreign Ministry Creation Act |
| Message | I won't make any further changes if the CLA won't vote onto to this bill; I argeed to one of your suggestions but I'm not to make any further if only when voting comes along, you'll vote against it. |
| Date | 06:46:49, July 05, 2009 CET | From | Kolonial Partei | To | Debating the Royal Hulstrian Foreign Ministry Creation Act |
| Message | This we will support. |
| Date | 20:01:50, July 05, 2009 CET | From | Liberaldemokratische Allianz | To | Debating the Royal Hulstrian Foreign Ministry Creation Act |
| Message | The introduction of this bill to voting phase is a stunning breech of trust that the CLA will not soon forget. Our faith in the FAP as an honest broker is seriously harmed. |
| Date | 23:10:17, July 05, 2009 CET | From | Socialist Party of Greater Hulstria | To | Debating the Royal Hulstrian Foreign Ministry Creation Act |
| Message | The FAP dealt in an honest and fair manner with the CLA, but the CLA has consistantly stonewalled the HMS legislative efforts, and they are the one's who have breeched the trust of the other parties. The lack of cooperation from the CLA over these past few months is stunning. So before you go off with these outrageous claims maybe you should be more cooperative in the future. |
| Date | 23:34:46, July 05, 2009 CET | From | Socialist Party of Greater Hulstria | To | Debating the Royal Hulstrian Foreign Ministry Creation Act |
| Message | And for that matter the CLA acted in complete disregard for the other parties when it put up reforms of the Government of the Eastern Territories that was ripped practically word for word from other legislation, with a few minor changes that proved to be an advantage to them. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 433 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 292 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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