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Bill: Nuclear Arms Act of 2782
Details
Submitted by[?]: Liberal Party of Beluzia and Bailon
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2783
Description[?]:
| COMMENDING the good intentions of the previous government in banning nuclear weapon, BUT CONCERNED that without international cooperation, Beluzia and Bailon would be left defenseless, THIS ACT seeks to re-allow the use of nuclear weapons under extreme circumstances where there is no other alternative. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the use of nuclear weaponry in warfare.
Old value:: The nation shall never use nuclear weapons in warfare.
Current: The nation reserves the right to nuclear weapons in retaliation to a nuclear, chemical or biological attack.
Proposed: The nation shall never use nuclear weapons in warfare unless another nation uses them first.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The policy with respect to nuclear weaponry.
Old value:: The nation shall never develop, produce or store nuclear weaponry.
Current: The nation shall never produce or store nuclear weaponry for military purposes. Research and development of the technology is permitted.
Proposed: The nation reserves the right to develop, produce and store nuclear arms.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 17:25:44, July 06, 2009 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Nuclear Arms Act of 2782 |
| Message | We intend to conquer all of Terra, not a nuclear fallout wasteland!~ |
| Date | 17:44:00, July 06, 2009 CET | From | Liberal Party of Beluzia and Bailon | To | Debating the Nuclear Arms Act of 2782 |
| Message | So this government's policy is to simply capitulate to other nuclear powers then? |
| Date | 22:50:27, July 06, 2009 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Nuclear Arms Act of 2782 |
| Message | Obviously not, Grand Emperor Zog never capitulates! Clearly you have a lot to learn about Beluzian culture!! We use knock-out gas and traitor redemption serum to round-up and reprogram the foriegn devils. They can be quickly re-orientated into unskilled labor or shock troops. More time can be spent cultivating them into skilled workers once the war is over and their country has been conquered. None of this can occur with a "kill 'em all" "take no names" approach of Nuclear missiles and other civilian killing environmentally damaging bombs. |
| Date | 22:53:33, July 06, 2009 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Nuclear Arms Act of 2782 |
| Message | ooc: consider Hiroshima / Nagasaki! Consider what a useful ally the US and Japan became after the war. What good does it serve us to have modern japanese still dying of cancer in these cities? What good does it do us to have wiped out untold number of German civilians in the bombing of Dresden? We are not weaker because we have higher standards. Virtues do not handicap us, they lead us to a higher purpose, a greater victory. |
| Date | 05:13:20, July 07, 2009 CET | From | Liberal Party of Beluzia and Bailon | To | Debating the Nuclear Arms Act of 2782 |
| Message | OOC: but you see, it is precisely because the Japanese had no nuclear weapons that they had to capitulate! Otherwise, the war would have continued on for at least a few more months! |
| Date | 16:16:56, July 07, 2009 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Nuclear Arms Act of 2782 |
| Message | ooc: that sounds like an argument against nuclear weapons. If the US didn't have them, we could have ended the war another way. There is no doubt we would have won in time... bottom line: bombs kill civilians, even when used to their intended purpose. Nukes continue to kill for generations. That is evil. |
| Date | 16:56:22, July 08, 2009 CET | From | Liberal Party of Beluzia and Bailon | To | Debating the Nuclear Arms Act of 2782 |
| Message | OOC: How so? The other way would have cost even more lives! The only reason that the Japanese surrendered so quickly was because they knew they were powerless against the unknown atom bomb. Any invasion would have surely been met with fierce resistance, resulting in much greater casualties in the scale of the millions and causing more damage. |
| Date | 17:24:35, July 09, 2009 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Nuclear Arms Act of 2782 |
| Message | ooc: we had lots of options. How about a naval blockade? How about trained assassins kill Tojo or bribe the emperor? If we were going to nuke anything, better it be Moscow. Stalin was a far greater threat than the japanese. You might say that is easy to say in hindsight, but Patton knew it at the time: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_S._Patton#After_the_German_surrender |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |
| yes | Total Seats: 46 | |
| no | Total Seats: 54 | |
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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