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Bill: Al'Badara RP specs (not a bill)
Details
Submitted by[?]: Union of Progressive Ulama
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 2141
Description[?]:
| Theres a thread over on the forums gatehrign basic specs on the countries in Particracy. Here's my suggestions for Al'Badara -- Language: Majatran (similar to RL Arabic) -- this is agreed in other countries in Majatra continent, that there is a large Arab-type ethnicity to be called Majatran Religion ; Islam 80%, Christian 10%, animist 10% Ethnicities ; Majatran 90% (Arabic), indigenous 5%, other migrants 5% Caste System ; none Historical Figures ; Sutan Abdullah brought the Muslim faith from Majatra. Sultan Azahari united the people under one government, his descendants still rule Al'Badara. Michelle Aflaq led the pan-Arab movement for democracy which transformed the absolute momnarchy into a constitutinal monarchy and created equality of men and women under the law. Inventions ; The perau (ocean-going canoe), algebra, the telescope, astronomy. Cuisine ; heavily reliant on fish and rice, tends to be spicey, goat's stomachs considered a delicacy and often served with spicey shrimp paste. Pork is not permitted for Muslims, and halal rules on food preparation are widely observed. Art/Culture Motifs ; geometric shapes, with very few representations of human figures or other graven images for historical-cultural reasons Climate ; tropical, prone to monsoons Terrain ; low-lying areas have mangrove swamp and rice terraces, with desert areas in many parts of the country. Interior mountains still ahve original jungle cover. Main agricultural crops: Rice, raisins & dates, olives. National alcohol ; Alcohol is rare for religious and cultural reasons, but beer is available. Hashish is common. Main livestock ; Goats, sheep. Natural resources ; Offshore oil and natural gas Main Industries ; shipbuilding, oil extraction and refining, but the popualtion is mainly poor and agricultural, or nomadic in the deserts. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 21:42:51, October 21, 2005 CET | From |  Union of Progressive Ulama | To | Debating the Al'Badara RP specs (not a bill) |
| Message | also put up a Wiki entry on Al'Badara -- let me know what you think: http://82.238.75.178:8085/particracy/wiki/index.php/Sultanate_of_Al%27Badara |
| Date | 13:43:31, October 22, 2005 CET | From | Majatran Socialist Party | To | Debating the Al'Badara RP specs (not a bill) |
| Message | Looks good. Does this mean my party is actually called the Ba'ath Majatran Socialist Party? |
| Date | 18:28:26, October 22, 2005 CET | From | Nacional Unionist Badaran Arbeits Partei | To | Debating the Al'Badara RP specs (not a bill) |
| Message | I'd like the ethnicities to eb changed a bit, my party is supposed to reoresent those with slavic and oriental origins, please could they be added to make up at least 5% |
| Date | 18:29:38, October 22, 2005 CET | From | Nacional Unionist Badaran Arbeits Partei | To | Debating the Al'Badara RP specs (not a bill) |
| Message | And maybe some cold mountanous areas, ie: North Korea |
| Date | 20:54:19, October 22, 2005 CET | From | Union of Progressive Ulama | To | Debating the Al'Badara RP specs (not a bill) |
| Message | OK, that's no problem NUP. Let's say 15% minorities then, maybe? Do you care what religion they are? (Converts to Islam, like the Slavs in Albania & Bosnia, Christians exploited by the evil old Sultanate, something else?) BASP -- if you like. I guess you do, since you're now BMSP! A quick look at the entires from our neighbours shows that there is an Arab/Majatran majority on the mainland, and the Deltarians (Germanic) are our traditional enemy. Cobura has a Majatran majority and a Deltarian minority trying to rule with an iron fist, etc. |
| Date | 22:54:52, October 22, 2005 CET | From | Majatran Socialist Party | To | Debating the Al'Badara RP specs (not a bill) |
| Message | Yeh, I prefer being pan-Majatran as it gives more scope for expansion. Does this mean that all (or at least most) countries around the South Ocean would be considered Majatran? I don't see how Slavic and Oriental people would really fit into an 'Arab' nation, and your policies dont really seem geared towards empowering Slavs and Orientals. Perhaps you could protect a Deltarian minority, or disregard that part of the RP (especially seeing as you have votes of over 5% of the population) |
| Date | 17:25:48, October 27, 2005 CET | From | Al'Badaran Alliance | To | Debating the Al'Badara RP specs (not a bill) |
| Message | Can we reopen this discussion please. I was wondering if we could enlarge the Christian and white communities, so that the Majatrans aren't quite so overwhelmingly superior. Also could halve of thw hite population be of Deltarian descent. However over the years they have developed seperately from their Deltarian roots, and thus they now speak Badaraan? or something like thats. |
| Date | 12:03:39, October 28, 2005 CET | From | Majatran Socialist Party | To | Debating the Al'Badara RP specs (not a bill) |
| Message | We are opposed to that. |
| Date | 12:07:30, October 28, 2005 CET | From | Al'Badaran Alliance | To | Debating the Al'Badara RP specs (not a bill) |
| Message | Why? |
| Date | 19:15:51, October 28, 2005 CET | From | Majatran Socialist Party | To | Debating the Al'Badara RP specs (not a bill) |
| Message | Arab countries generally stay Arabic. Examples from the CIA fact book: Saudi Arabia - Arab 90% Afro-Asian 10% Iraq - Arab 75%-80%, Kurdish 15%-20%, Turkoman, Assyrian or other 5% Syria - Arab 90.3%, Kurds, Armenians, and other 9.7% Israel - Jewish 80.1% (Europe/America-born 32.1%, Israel-born 20.8%, Africa-born 14.6%, Asia-born 12.6%), non-Jewish 19.9% (mostly Arab) (1996 est.) As you can see, most Arab nations have very high proportions of Arabs and very few white groups (unless your Israel). Which is why I dont really like parties adding ethnic groups when it makes little sense just to give themselves a voter base. Especially when the NUP got 41% of the vote, does this mean every white person and a large proportion of Arabs voted for a party that claims to represent minorities? Although I have no problem with parties respresenting minorities, it can lead to some strange election results. |
| Date | 20:41:46, October 28, 2005 CET | From | Union of Progressive Ulama | To | Debating the Al'Badara RP specs (not a bill) |
| Message | We could re-start from scratch and make the country more like Brunei (our flag) or Indonesia or Malaysia (islands with Muslim majorities). But to do so we have to change the Baath raison d'etre. I have no problem with minorities, but i think the nice thing about Al'Badara is its unique features, which imply an Arab and/or Muslim majority, even if that majority sometimes votes for the "minority" parties. We're about to have 2 active parties claiming to represent Arabs/Muslims (Baath and me) and 2 claiming to represent minorities but actually including the larger share of voters (NUP, BSP). This defies logic unless we are a multilcultural (non-Arabic) state. Also Arabs ARE white, so this white minority thing seems crazy to me. Call it an indigenous darker-skinned minority, and everything makes more sense. Or, we can invent a history of being colonized to explain why we have a "European" minority. I'm opposed to a Deltarian minority because i don't want to be forced into RP with Deltaria. At least not without setting up some consensual ground rules first. |
| Date | 20:43:09, October 28, 2005 CET | From | Union of Progressive Ulama | To | Debating the Al'Badara RP specs (not a bill) |
| Message | Although maybe BSP can be sort of like the Kurdish parties in Iraq, that might make some sense.... |
| Date | 23:06:08, October 30, 2005 CET | From | Al'Badaran Alliance | To | Debating the Al'Badara RP specs (not a bill) |
| Message | What? Reducing the Majatran population to 60% still leaves a massive Majatran population majority, whites do not need to make up more than say a fifth of the population, that means the number of Majatrans can be varied from 60% to 80%, that leaves the Baathists with plenty of scope to RP a Majatran state. |
| Date | 07:04:51, October 31, 2005 CET | From | Union of Progressive Ulama | To | Debating the Al'Badara RP specs (not a bill) |
| Message | Anything agreeable to both the BSP and Baath is OK by me. If you guys can agree, i'm happy to write something up. Still don't see why the BSP has to represent "whites" though, especially since Arabs are just as "white" as Europeans. |
| Date | 11:51:09, October 31, 2005 CET | From | Al'Badaran Alliance | To | Debating the Al'Badara RP specs (not a bill) |
| Message | In Algeria until the 1960's, the French settlers were regarded as white and the Algerians were regarded as arabic. White generally means european. If we use your wider version of white, then the people of northern india, eg the pathans, are also "white". In Egypt the muslim government officially lowers the number of Christian Copts in the official census, claiming that they are about 3 million Copts, whereas the church itself believes that figure is close to 7 million, due to attendance and baptism/marriage figures. Perhaps we could operate something like that, whereby the state edits the census to suggest there are fewer 'europeans', than there actually are, sound fair? And the BSP represents white "Badaraans" as I have explained, we have a seperate non-recognised language, and are different from other whites and the Majatrans. In real life their is a clear difference between most whites and arabs. Only the mediterranean peoples look like arabs. |
| Date | 19:48:17, November 08, 2005 CET | From | Alliance of Democrats | To | Debating the Al'Badara RP specs (not a bill) |
| Message | If you use the widest definition of white, then that includes Iranians. "Iran" simply means "aryan". |
| Date | 02:11:55, November 15, 2005 CET | From | Union of Progressive Ulama | To | Debating the Al'Badara RP specs (not a bill) |
| Message | Clearing old bills. If anyone wants to change anything, BSP being gone, please say so. |
| Date | 17:06:55, November 15, 2005 CET | From | Majatran Socialist Party | To | Debating the Al'Badara RP specs (not a bill) |
| Message | We agree with the stuff in the description, vote yes for that. |
| Date | 05:10:29, August 23, 2008 CET | From | Liberal Party | To | Debating the Al'Badara RP specs (not a bill) |
| Message | Say no to the regulations on Chistian in SROA. |
| Date | 05:10:44, August 23, 2008 CET | From | Liberal Party | To | Debating the Al'Badara RP specs (not a bill) |
| Message | Say no to the regulations on Chistians in SROA. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 537 | ||||||
| no | Total Seats: 0 | ||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 213 |
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