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Bill: Smoking Laws
Details
Submitted by[?]: Valruzian Happy-Fun Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 2130
Description[?]:
| We must stop smoking in public places. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy towards smoking.
Old value:: Smoking is legal everywhere, at the discretion of the property owner, but is illegal in government-owned buildings.
Current: Smoking is legal everywhere, at the discretion of the property owner, but is illegal in government-owned buildings.
Proposed: Smoking is legal outdoors and in private homes and clubs, but illegal indoors in places of employment, with the exception of places that primarily serve liquor.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 03:57:47, October 22, 2005 CET | From |  Economic Progress Party | To | Debating the Smoking Laws |
| Message | We oppose this bill. |
| Date | 04:10:27, October 22, 2005 CET | From | Alliance for Natural Law | To | Debating the Smoking Laws |
| Message | Why the heck are you calling it "organs?" |
| Date | 04:16:50, October 22, 2005 CET | From | Valruzian Happy-Fun Party | To | Debating the Smoking Laws |
| Message | We think it is inhumane to let children and elderly people to be exposed to passive smoking in public places. |
| Date | 06:54:33, October 22, 2005 CET | From | Alliance for Natural Law | To | Debating the Smoking Laws |
| Message | OOC: From a strictly positive liberty perspective, no way. From negative liberty under natural law, my right to choose not to inhale smoke would be infringed by your smoking. Have to consider this. |
| Date | 13:11:49, October 22, 2005 CET | From | Deadly Buzz Party | To | Debating the Smoking Laws |
| Message | Hear we go again. Is there no option for a compromise. I.E. Smoking is banned in indoor public places but legal outside? |
| Date | 14:00:04, October 22, 2005 CET | From | Restoration Party | To | Debating the Smoking Laws |
| Message | This is the worst bill ever (cough) We vote no! Vive la liberte! |
| Date | 17:17:51, October 22, 2005 CET | From | Alliance for Natural Law | To | Debating the Smoking Laws |
| Message | Tough, but I realized that public places likely includes privately owned publicly accessible one. So no. |
| Date | 19:59:30, October 22, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian Party of Valruzia | To | Debating the Smoking Laws |
| Message | AP: on the negative liberty thing - there are MANY activities that infringe on your "rights." People playing loud music would be sound pollution, and could hurt your ears. Does that infringe on your rights? No, we don't ban playing music, so why ban smoking on the basis of the negative liberty? People have the right to smoke if they want to, it's their choice, and you have the right to move. If you stay there, it is your own fault because you do not own that territory neither does the smoker. So you can ask them to move, or you can move yourself. It's human interaction and that's all there is to it. Smoking indoors in a home is probably more potent than outdoors. And hell, public places that are privately owned should be able to legislate any sort of rule they want, barring murder, rape, etc. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 30 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 109 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 62 |
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