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Bill: Resolution to Rebuke Crown Abuses
Details
Submitted by[?]: Committee for Liberation
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2796
Description[?]:
| Recognizing the fact that the crown of Luthori has abused the people, the legislative body of Luthori hereby rebukes any and all past abuses by the supposed crown. We direct the "Emperor" to apologize, and abdicate the throne. This is his chance to leave power of his own free will and accord. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 00:55:09, August 03, 2009 CET | From | Imperial Conservative Union (IA) | To | Debating the Resolution to Rebuke Crown Abuses |
| Message | OOC: lol read the Constitution first. Then tell me how to do this. The Diet has no power over this, but there is a way. Hint constitution is a Treaty, not the one linked. To find it go through the wiki. Yes it was voted out, but not undone since it would require 2/3s vote to do that and the party that took it out only had half. |
| Date | 00:55:43, August 03, 2009 CET | From | Imperial Conservative Union (IA) | To | Debating the Resolution to Rebuke Crown Abuses |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Care to tell me what the Emperor has done? I yield. |
| Date | 01:03:36, August 03, 2009 CET | From | Alliance of Social Democrats | To | Debating the Resolution to Rebuke Crown Abuses |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, The Imperial Constitution has been revoked. The current administration will not recognize it as legally valid, and has no reason to do so. The 2/3 voting provision was tagged into the Constitution: IT should have been placed in another treaty that could back it up. As such, our administration will recognize this legislation if it passes. I yield. |
| Date | 01:06:10, August 03, 2009 CET | From | Imperial Conservative Union (IA) | To | Debating the Resolution to Rebuke Crown Abuses |
| Message | OOC: This is not an IC arguement. It is in the Constitution that it be 2/3s vote. You can not just ignor it because you do not like it. Take it to the Mods if you wish, but it has been argued before and they ruled in its favor saying that if it is in the Treaty then it should be upheld and followed. You did not, so yes the treaty is gone due to the game mechanics, but the 2/3s rule stays in effect. |
| Date | 01:14:12, August 03, 2009 CET | From | Alliance of Social Democrats | To | Debating the Resolution to Rebuke Crown Abuses |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Our administration does not recognize the legality of the Imperial Constitution. The minority in the Diet may recognize the Constitution; we, will not. I yield. |
| Date | 01:16:48, August 03, 2009 CET | From | Imperial Conservative Union (IA) | To | Debating the Resolution to Rebuke Crown Abuses |
| Message | OOC: Once again you don't seem to understand what OOC and IC mean. The Constitution is the law and is upheld by rulings that were argued long before you were even playing this game bud. So just because you do not like it and want to cheat to "win" does not help your case. |
| Date | 01:22:42, August 03, 2009 CET | From | Alliance of Social Democrats | To | Debating the Resolution to Rebuke Crown Abuses |
| Message | OOC: Look, this shouldn't be made "personal" or anything. This is a game. I follow the game mechanics. You can roleplay forever and ever, I really don't care, and I don't play like that. I don't care about rulings made way before I've been playing: They aren't embedded in the game mechanics. If I wanted to roleplay, I would. Game mechanics = Alliance of Social Democrats |
| Date | 01:27:49, August 03, 2009 CET | From | Imperial Conservative Union (IA) | To | Debating the Resolution to Rebuke Crown Abuses |
| Message | OOC: However Moderation rulings out do that of the game. Like I said I am happy to argue this case again. Yes it is a game, but you have to follow the rules whether you like them or not. It was ruled that since it was in there and it passed then it had to be followed and continued. This was not us getting together and saying it was so, it was the moderation. I have argued this case before bud, and if need be we can revisit it again, however until that ruling is changed, then it is the game rules whether you like it or not. |
| Date | 01:31:48, August 03, 2009 CET | From | Fatah al-Islam | To | Debating the Resolution to Rebuke Crown Abuses |
| Message | OOC: Game mechanics always take precedent. You can't force other parties to accept your RP'd construct over the flow of game mechanics, much as it would occasionally be nice. |
| Date | 01:32:29, August 03, 2009 CET | From | Alliance of Social Democrats | To | Debating the Resolution to Rebuke Crown Abuses |
| Message | OOC: Look, again, I really don't care. It doesn't matter whether or not the moderation rules on the issue: You can recognize it when you are in the majority, and I won't when I am in the majority. What good would it do anyways, otherwise? I mean, nothing is being resolved here. |
| Date | 01:36:30, August 03, 2009 CET | From | Imperial Conservative Union (IA) | To | Debating the Resolution to Rebuke Crown Abuses |
| Message | OOC: The point being it by 2/3s vote and just because you don't like that, because you don't have the votes, you will not follow it. You seem to just not care what others think and have done, if they do not fall in line with yours. Really I have done this arguement a million times, and your right it gets no where, until the person realizes that they should follow it and just accept it, since it is more realistic and guess what not looked as cheating to "win". |
| Date | 01:37:57, August 03, 2009 CET | From | Alliance of Social Democrats | To | Debating the Resolution to Rebuke Crown Abuses |
| Message | OOC: Okay. |
| Date | 03:03:10, August 03, 2009 CET | From | Aldurian Green Party | To | Debating the Resolution to Rebuke Crown Abuses |
| Message | OOC: sorry to butt in, however I just had to comment about how familiar this debate sounded. Talk about Deja vu. |
| Date | 03:24:10, August 03, 2009 CET | From | Imperial Conservative Union (IA) | To | Debating the Resolution to Rebuke Crown Abuses |
| Message | OOC: Green stay in Alduria. Don't worry I will be back soon enough. My dear old rivial =) |
| Date | 08:21:30, August 03, 2009 CET | From | Constitutionalist Imperial League (IA) | To | Debating the Resolution to Rebuke Crown Abuses |
| Message | Mr Speaker, We regard this as plan and utter treason by the vulgar plebs of the CfL, they are pushing our nation towards civil war! I yield. |
| Date | 14:31:52, August 03, 2009 CET | From | Constitutionalist Imperial League (IA) | To | Debating the Resolution to Rebuke Crown Abuses |
| Message | ADDENDUM: Mr Speaker, Furthermore, the ASD can now consider itself stripped of all its noble titles. If this bill passes, the Church of Luthori will also consider excommunication. I yield. |
| Date | 16:26:13, August 03, 2009 CET | From | Committee for Liberation | To | Debating the Resolution to Rebuke Crown Abuses |
| Message | Mr Speaker, We congratulate the ASD on the honor of being stripped of all noble titles! I yield. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 58 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 83 | |||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 43 |
| Random fact: In order for a Cabinet bill to pass, more than half of the legislature must vote for it and all of the parties included in the proposed Cabinet must support it. If your nation has a Head of State who is also the Head of Government, then the party controlling this character must also vote for the bill, since the Head of Government is also a member of the Cabinet. If any of these requirements are not met, the bill will not pass. |
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