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Bill: Arms Industry Control Bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: Representative Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 2132
Description[?]:
| A bill to nationalise the defence industires of Likatonia, and prevent the free export of military weapons. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The nation's defence industry.
Old value:: Defence industries are privately owned and not subsidised.
Current: The state owns all defence industries.
Proposed: The state owns all defence industries.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the export of weapons to other nations.
Old value:: The government allows conventional arms to be exported freely.
Current: The government allows all arms to be exported freely.
Proposed: The government must approve all arms sales on a case by case basis.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 09:17:59, October 22, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Arms Industry Control Bill |
| Message | The AAP could support SOME nationalisation, retaining freedom of private enterprise. Full nationalisation, we can not support. |
| Date | 09:24:18, October 22, 2005 CET | From | Representative Party | To | Debating the Arms Industry Control Bill |
| Message | It is important that the international trade in arms is strictly controlled. A free supply in arms can lead to increased conflict and instability throughout the world. It can also lead to less developed nations becoming involved in arms races that they can't afford. The arms industry should be nationalised because it is important to prevent this industry from being controlled by vested interests that are intent on selling as many armaments as possible with little regard to the use to which those weapons will put. A free trade in weapons could even lead to Likatonia being attacked by weapons produced within its own borders. A nationailsed arms industry will ensure that the manufacturers of weapons are directly accountable to the government and act only in accordance with the national interest. |
| Date | 09:40:07, October 22, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Arms Industry Control Bill |
| Message | The AAP would like to point out that the ONLY weapons currently traded 'openly', are conventional arms... that is, weapons that all of our neighbours have easy access to, anyway. There is no trade in nuclear, chemical or biological arms without explicit sanction. The AAP doesn't see too great a risk in selling handguns (with all the controls attendent on that process) in other nations, when handguns are ALREADY available in those nations. We still control which weapons are allowed to be CARRIED by individuals, when they cross our borders... |
| Date | 16:45:00, October 22, 2005 CET | From | Front for State Prosperity | To | Debating the Arms Industry Control Bill |
| Message | We oppose nationalizations and support free trade as vital parts of our platform. So, we can't support either side of this. |
| Date | 14:06:36, October 23, 2005 CET | From | Representative Party | To | Debating the Arms Industry Control Bill |
| Message | In response to the AAP conventional weapons includes tanks, artillery, landmines, warplanes and the weapons they carry as well as handguns. Currently these weapons can be exported freely from Likatonia, with no regard paid to wether these exports harm international security or the national security of Likatonia. In fact Private enterprises have a duty to their shareholders to maximise profits and they would therefore be neglecting these responsibilities if they decided to refrain from exporting weapons to certain countries because of concerns over what uses they might put them to. For these reasons it is vital that all responsible nations restrict their arms exports by law. As a responsibly controlled arms industry mkght not be able to operate profitably I believe this industry should be nationalised. |
| Date | 00:54:41, October 24, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Arms Industry Control Bill |
| Message | Conventional arms is chiefly the sale of handguns, though... because THAT is the common denominator. The average citizen can afford a handgun... so that is what is mainly traded, and that is what will be mostly bought and sold under 'no regulation'. Artillery and warplanes leave something of a papertrail, and it is hard for an enemy power to buy such trinkets without warning the Likatonian government of the process... whether or not there is 'case-by-case' regulation. Such arms ARE in the marketplace already, and will be put to whatever use, regardless of where they are manufactured and bought. It is not for the Likatonian government to decide what use another country might wish to purchase tanks for. We do not allow other nations to set OUR policy... we have no right to do the same to others. |
| Date | 05:58:22, October 24, 2005 CET | From | Representative Party | To | Debating the Arms Industry Control Bill |
| Message | We agree that conventional arms will continue to be available if this legislation is passed, however that does not mean that we should not act to control our arms industry, instead it means we should also act multilaterally to encourage worldwide control on the arms trade. We are not interested in controlling the sale of handguns to private citezens of other countries, nor do we believe we have the right or power to determine the policies of other countries. What we do believe is that we have the right and the responsibility to prevent Likatonian industries from acting in a way that assists other countries to endanger international security or Likatonian national security. We might not be able to stop other countries from attacking us, but we shouldn't seel them the weapons they use to kill our citezens and destroy our infrastructure. |
| Date | 16:48:24, October 24, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Arms Industry Control Bill |
| Message | The AAP believes the Representative Party is tilting at windmills. Although we have had some degree of contratemps with other nations, the AAP is under the impression that we have not, as yet, had another power use our own weapons used to kill our citizens and destroy our infrastructure... or any OTHER weapons to do those same things. Our national security is good, our defence industries are efficient, and our global politics is favourable... and we have NOT been attacked by any other powers, DESPITE our 'open' sales on conventional arms. This is just scare tactics, and not supported by the material evidence. |
| Date | 21:10:10, October 24, 2005 CET | From | AM Radical Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Arms Industry Control Bill |
| Message | We cannot under any circumstances support the nationalization of one of our vital industries, and the loss of effeciency this would lead to do to lack of competation. |
| Date | 06:28:24, October 26, 2005 CET | From | Representative Party | To | Debating the Arms Industry Control Bill |
| Message | proceeding to vote |
| Date | 07:42:46, October 27, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Arms Industry Control Bill |
| Message | Cyrano Morgaine of the Pacifist Faction has persuaded the Anarch Anakrousite Shatter to vote in favour of this Representative Party Bill. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 155 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 153 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 192 |
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